Why are sunsets "beautiful"

What is nonsensical about the question? It's very straight forward unlike your answers.

The original question:

Just curious - Since we evolved from some form of hydrocarbon molecule, why do we find sunsets beautiful. How did this evolutionary process occur? You can substitute sunrise, diamonds, trees, art, the beach, or even music.

Still no answer.

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I'm the one who's been attacked constantly by the godless crowd.

Well, there's...

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simply put our questions you can't answer, and to stand up to your bullying tactics

I've yet to find any bullying tactics outside your post.

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as far as intellect, all I've seen you do is to repeat garbage you've googled

Seems a bit hateful to me.

Let's not forget...

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It's obvious isn't it? You're lost without google

That was a direct attack on you, I'm sure you're convinced. Oh wait...that was you!

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congratulations on figuring out my tongue in cheek argument

I'm still stumped about that one.

You're the one doing the attacking. You've got a mindset that's locked and immovable, and when you ask a question, you expect answers to jibe completely with yours. When they don't, you get insulting.

What do I see when I look at a sunset? Atmospheric phenomena. Differential filtering. Diffraction. The result is an unusual blend of colors rather than the expected ones. Usually, the variation is pleasing to the senses as different colors affect you in different ways. A seascape turns from a cold color palette (blues) to a warm one (reds and golds) that is generally pleasing. Why do you see in colors? Why do you react differently to different colors? You claim "God did it," but can you explain why or how? Can you explain what happens? Doubtful. If "God did it" is sufficient for you, then more power to you.

But I have to agree with DF. Yours was a nonsensical question. After a few "whys" I could leave you stumped, because you'd be at "God wanted to, that's all."

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Originally posted by Smooth operator:

Just curious - Since we evolved from some form of hydrocarbon molecule, why do we find sunsets beautiful. How did this evolutionary process occur? You can substitute sunrise, diamonds, trees, art, the beach, or even music.

Still no answer.

Smooth, beauty is what one thinks is beautiful. It is what you think it is - whether it is a certain sunset, piece of art, strip of sand in a secluded location, etc.

Evolution? It is still occurring. Are you interested in human evolution or the theory of evolution?

I'd recommend watching the entire "Made Easy Series".

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The original question:

Just curious - Since we evolved from some form of hydrocarbon molecule, why do we find sunsets beautiful. How did this evolutionary process occur? You can substitute sunrise, diamonds, trees, art, the beach, or even music.

Still no answer.

Why would we not evolve to find sunsets beautiful? Why is the concept of beauty something that evolution would not create?

I have no answer for you. You know it as well as I.

Would you prefer to say that the appreciation of beauty is a gift from god? I'll save you a step, it's inherent in us. Further, beauty is most often that to which we are accustomed, on a generational and evolutionary scale. Sunsets and pretty women and puppies and flowers, we find beautiful. It is a privilege of being human, one of many.

There are things beautiful to monkeys. There are things beautiful to whales. There are things beautiful to bees.

Life is short. Enjoy the beautiful. Have a glass of Zin over the sunset tomorrow evening.

Relax.


DF

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Originally posted by Smooth operator:
What is nonsensical about the question? It's very straight forward unlike your answers.

OK, Smooth. I've given you my best shot at honestly attempting to answer your question. In fact, I'll always answer your questions as honestly as I can no matter how nonsensical. So let's turn the table. Why are sunsets beautiful to you? I'm sure your answer will make much more sense than any answer I could give.

So lets' here it, Smooth.

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Originally posted by DeepFat:

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The original question:

Just curious - Since we evolved from some form of hydrocarbon molecule, why do we find sunsets beautiful. How did this evolutionary process occur? You can substitute sunrise, diamonds, trees, art, the beach, or even music.

Still no answer.

Why would we not evolve to find sunsets beautiful? Why is the concept of beauty something that evolution would not create?

I have no answer for you. You know it as well as I.

Would you prefer to say that the appreciation of beauty is a gift from god? I'll save you a step, it's inherent in us. Further, beauty is most often that to which we are accustomed, on a generational and evolutionary scale. Sunsets and pretty women and puppies and flowers, we find beautiful. It is a privilege of being human, one of many.

There are things beautiful to monkeys. There are things beautiful to whales. There are things beautiful to bees.

Life is short. Enjoy the beautiful. Have a glass of Zin over the sunset tomorrow evening.

Relax.


DF

Why would evolution create "beauty" There's no need for it. (not withstanding earlier mentions of taste, sexual desire, etc.) Did it just accidentally occur that humans would perceive something of no value as beautiful? That doesn't make sense. What evidence do you have that lower animals perceive things of no value as "beautiful" I've owned pets my entire life, and I've never seen one show any interest in a painting, or even a sunset while sipping zin. They do however find food and sex very attractive, but there again we come to survival. Even their desire for companionship is driven by a need for protection of a pack or animal they perceive as needed for shelter. Don't feed your cat, and see how long he sticks around. Dogs will stay with you because they instinctively desire the protection of a companion. I am confused by one thing. You stated that things are beautiful to animals, but then you state that it is a privilege of being human. That seems to be a contradiction to me. Also, how does evolution become a privilege? Aren't privileges given? Given by who, or are privileges just evolutions? I will give you credit. I believe you actually made an honest attempt to actually answer my question. For that I applaud you.

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Originally posted by zippadeedoodah:

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I'm the one who's been attacked constantly by the godless crowd.

Well, there's...

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simply put our questions you can't answer, and to stand up to your bullying tactics

I've yet to find any bullying tactics outside your post.

and...

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as far as intellect, all I've seen you do is to repeat garbage you've googled

Seems a bit hateful to me.

Let's not forget...

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It's obvious isn't it? You're lost without google

That was a direct attack on you, I'm sure you're convinced. Oh wait...that was you!

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congratulations on figuring out my tongue in cheek argument

I'm still stumped about that one.

You're the one doing the attacking. You've got a mindset that's locked and immovable, and when you ask a question, you expect answers to jibe completely with yours. When they don't, you get insulting.

What do I see when I look at a sunset? Atmospheric phenomena. Differential filtering. Diffraction. The result is an unusual blend of colors rather than the expected ones. Usually, the variation is pleasing to the senses as different colors affect you in different ways. A seascape turns from a cold color palette (blues) to a warm one (reds and golds) that is generally pleasing. Why do you see in colors? Why do you react differently to different colors? You claim "God did it," but can you explain why or how? Can you explain what happens? Doubtful. If "God did it" is sufficient for you, then more power to you.

But I have to agree with DF. Yours was a nonsensical question. After a few "whys" I could leave you stumped, because you'd be at "God wanted to, that's all."

Not attacking, just stating facts. Also the question is very direct and simple. The fact you cannot answer it is what makes it nonsensical to you. You claim that my answer would be "God wanted to, that's all", but your answer is to say the question is nonsensical. Now who's making sense?

I'd also like to ask. What's nonsensical about the original question? Just because you don't have a sensible answer does not make the question nonsensical.

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There are things beautiful to monkeys. There are things beautiful to whales. There are things beautiful to bees.

Is there scientific evidence that bees and whales find things beautiful?

Is it possible to gather empirical, observable, and measurable evidence of beauty?

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Originally posted by Cookey:

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Originally posted by Smooth operator:
What is nonsensical about the question? It's very straight forward unlike your answers.

OK, Smooth. I've given you my best shot at honestly attempting to answer your question. In fact, I'll always answer your questions as honestly as I can no matter how nonsensical. So let's turn the table. Why are sunsets beautiful to you? I'm sure your answer will make much more sense than any answer I could give.

So lets' here it, Smooth.

Good tactic there Cookey, but still no answer. Of course you know my answer, but I am fully aware that you do not accept my idea. I'm just asking how did a humans perception of beauty come to be? Try answering direct. There's no need to beat around the bush. Just tell me how it evolved. Remember, I'm talking about things that have no value to a human for anything. I could live my entire life as an organism without enjoying a sunset, and my physical body would never know the difference. I've even gotten physical explanations as to what causes the vivid colors of a sunset (I learned that in 10th grade, but in quite a bit more detail), but nothing to explain why humans find it "beautiful".

It's beautiful to you because someone told you it was beautiful. Simple as that. Appreciation is a learned response. It is not innate in our mental wiring. As we are very efficient in our environment (we don't have to constantly be on the lookout for food) we've developed both the curiosity and the opportunity to learn appreciation.

Again, not so much your question, but your response to answers is nonsensical. You're continually changing the rules for response to get the agnostic or atheist crowd to agree with you; "Yep. I guess it was God that did it." You won't believe or accept anything that's not "theistic"; hence, this debate is sort of like talking to a wooden chicken.

Not everything that we do has a logical reason, as we are also driven by emotion. "It makes me feel good" defies explanation. Sure, endorphins, but why?

And a sunset is not beautiful to all. Learned behavior. Just like thinking rap music is beautiful and pleasant...learned behavior.

To whom is a sunset not beautiful, zip? It's rather hard to deny the beauty of a sunset. I disagree that acknowledging it's beauty is a learned response.

Now music, on the other hand, that one is a matter of taste...kind of like how I hate the taste of coconut while others like it. Our taste in music, food, men (women in your case) are as unique as we are. Again, JMHO, that's an excellent design.

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Originally posted by Smooth operator:
Good tactic there Cookey, but still no answer. Of course you know my answer,.

No, I really have no idea what your answer might be. The question now becomes, Why in the world would you refuse to answer it?

Smooth, the theory of evolution doesn't provide an answer to every single question you will ever want to know about why we are the way we are. It is but a framework to hold our ideas supported by evidence.

I'm sure somebody somewhere has taken a stab at your question. It may even be good fodder for a doctoral dissertation.

One of the basic tenets of scientific hypothesis is plausibility. I've given you a plausible reason why "beauty" might be a survival trait but my 100% honest answer is, I have no friggin idea why we find some things beautiful and some things repulsive.

I am asking you to educate me. What is your plausable reason for the appreciation of beauty?

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Originally posted by Smooth operator:
Why would evolution create "beauty"

Do you think we would be better off if everything was repulsive?

THINK about it, Smooth. How much mating would occur if we all couldn't stand to look at each other?

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Originally posted by _Joy_:
To whom is a sunset not beautiful, zip?

Someone terrified of the night?

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Originally posted by Cookey:

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Originally posted by Smooth operator: Why would evolution create "beauty"

Do you think we would be better off if everything was repulsive?

THINK about it, Smooth. How much mating would occur if we all couldn't stand to look at each other?

Hi Skeptik,

Oh, it would happen -- driven by the law of obsession. Hey, look at how you atheists are driven by your obsession to destroy God. Yes, I know, that obsession of the atheists is like the ant crawling up the leg of an elephant -- with lust on its mind.

That is a good analogy -- that small ant and the elephant -- the small atheist and God. Although when considering the atheist and God; even that is not sufficient -- for the atheist is so infinitesimally small, so minuscule when compared to God -- and God is so vast, so measureless, so eternal, so preexistent, so incomparable. Well, I guess you get the idea. An atheist is so irrelevant, so nothing, when it comes to a comparison with God or anything heavenly -- that the two should not even be mentioned in the same conversation.

Skeptik, your logic reminds me of the joke about the computer repairman who laughed at a woman client for being a little heavy. She told him, "I can loose weight; but, sorry to say, in your case, ugly is forever!"

In closing, considering Smooth's question, "Why would evolution create "'beauty'"

I guess I would have to say that evolution could never create beauty -- and you atheists are living proof of this. Or, as Forrest Gump taught us, "Ugly is -- as Ugly does!"

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Originally posted by Bill Gray:


Why not, just one time, take off your "bah humbug!" glasses and take a good look? You might be amazed.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

Bill, if you don't understand my point, just say so. Stop assigning your personal attributes to me.

I'm not sure what "bah humbug glasses" are, but if I'm wearing them, they are way cooler than your hubris hat.

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Originally posted by Bill Gray:
Hi Skeptik,

Yes, isn't it amazing that God created all of that into us; gave us this ability to appreciate the beauty of His created nature?

Of course, the Bible does tell us that is how we know there is a God -- by seeing His hand in all nature which surrounds us.

Truly He is an awesome God. I am happy you can appreciate that; even when you do not recognize it.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

The Creationists on this thread have a very limited view of God's creation. I wonder, Bill, if you think polio, plague, or tornadoes are beautiful?

In your view God is wonderful and loves us because He created sunsets and beautiful things in nature. What about the ugly, horrible things He created? He did that because....????

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Originally posted by _Joy_:
To whom is a sunset not beautiful, zip? It's rather hard to deny the beauty of a sunset. I disagree that acknowledging it's beauty is a learned response.

Now music, on the other hand, that one is a matter of taste...kind of like how I hate the taste of coconut while others like it. Our taste in music, food, men (women in your case) are as unique as we are. Again, JMHO, that's an excellent design.

So, God succeeded in creating sunsets that are beautiful to everyone, but failed when He created the coconut?

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Originally posted by CrustyMac:

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Originally posted by _Joy_:
To whom is a sunset not beautiful, zip? It's rather hard to deny the beauty of a sunset. I disagree that acknowledging it's beauty is a learned response.

Now music, on the other hand, that one is a matter of taste...kind of like how I hate the taste of coconut while others like it. Our taste in music, food, men (women in your case) are as unique as we are. Again, JMHO, that's an excellent design.

So, God succeeded in creating sunsets that are beautiful to everyone, but failed when He created the coconut?

Ok, Ok. I'm going to try this one more time. The idea is not that God created the sunset, but why do we perceive it as beautiful. It's not a difficult premise.

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Originally posted by Cookey:

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Originally posted by Smooth operator:
Good tactic there Cookey, but still no answer. Of course you know my answer,.

No, I really have no idea what your answer might be. The question now becomes, Why in the world would you refuse to answer it?

Smooth, the theory of evolution doesn't provide an answer to every single question you will ever want to know about why we are the way we are. It is but a framework to hold our ideas supported by evidence.

I'm sure somebody somewhere has taken a stab at your question. It may even be good fodder for a doctoral dissertation.

One of the basic tenets of scientific hypothesis is plausibility. I've given you a plausible reason why "beauty" might be a survival trait but my 100% honest answer is, I have no friggin idea why we find some things beautiful and some things repulsive.

I am asking you to educate me. What is your plausable reason for the appreciation of beauty?

God.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by zippadeedoodah:
It's beautiful to you because someone told you it was beautiful. Simple as that. Appreciation is a learned response. It is not innate in our mental wiring. As we are very efficient in our environment (we don't have to constantly be on the lookout for food) we've developed both the curiosity and the opportunity to learn appreciation.

Again, not so much your question, but your response to answers is nonsensical. You're continually changing the rules for response to get the agnostic or atheist crowd to agree with you; "Yep. I guess it was God that did it." You won't believe or accept anything that's not "theistic"; hence, this debate is sort of like talking to a wooden chicken.

Not everything that we do has a logical reason, as we are also driven by emotion. "It makes me feel good" defies explanation. Sure, endorphins, but why?

And a sunset is not beautiful to all. Learned behavior. Just like thinking rap music is beautiful and pleasant...learned behavior.[/QUOTE

Ok Zip. A real simple question here. If I learned sunsets were beautiful from someone else, who told them????? And you say my responses are nonsensical, and for the record, I have not changed any rules. I put forth a straight forward question, and have yet to get a straight forward answer from any of the atheistic evolutionists.

Nice try.

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Originally posted by Smooth operator:


Ok, Ok. I'm going to try this one more time. The idea is not that God created the sunset, but why do we perceive it as beautiful. It's not a difficult premise.

I'm not up on the psychology of perception, I just know it is a fascinating area of ongoing study. I'm sure with just a little effort, you can find some very good explanations of why we perceive anything as anything.

The phrasing of your question made me think you were baiting the atheists, a favorite game of the creationists/fundamentalists on this forum. I still think you were, I mean how does one proceed from assuming we evolved from some "hydrocarbon molecule" to "why do we perceive" while inferring some link? The assumption is that evolutionists believe that there is some preplanned purpose to evolution, and there just isn't.

Hi Smooth,

Reading your tag line: "Did you hear about the dyslexic, agnostic, insomniac? He laid awake at night pondering the existence of Dog." -- I do believe I have found him. Of course, for a dog, Snoopy, to want the world to revolve around DOG -- is much like the atheist who wants the world to dance to HIS tune.

One, Snoopy, is comically disillusioned; the other, the atheist, is just comical and disillusioned. But, they do march to their own drummer -- albeit a broken rhythm.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Originally posted by Cookey:

I am asking you to educate me. What is your plausible reason for the appreciation of beauty?

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God.

God what?

That is not a sufficient answer, Smooth. I can apply that same answer to:

What is the meaning of life? Why are the Braves such losers? Why is a square root or Pi a fundamental description of universal properties? Why is there air?

It is a meaningless answer and you know it. Surely you can do better than that?

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Originally posted by Smooth operator:
I put forth a straight forward question, and have yet to get a straight forward answer from any of the atheistic evolutionists.

Smooth,

I'm curious why you keep saying this when I've clearly addressed it? Remember, I've shown one PLAUSIBLE way that the recognition of beauty could be a survival trait in a very straightforward, honest manner.

Zippy (a THEIST who is just as 'in touch' with God as you) says it's a learned trait. Deep says because it's pleasurable. We all seem to agree that no one really knows.

Your "explanation" is compromised of one single, nonsensical word, "God" and I had to drag that out of you.

Then you have the nerve to say that you "have yet to get a straight forward answer"?

Seriously?

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Originally posted by CrustyMac:
I'm not up on the psychology of perception, I just know it is a fascinating area of ongoing study. I'm sure with just a little effort, you can find some very good explanations of why we perceive anything as anything.

True. One mind boggler that I ponder from time to time is the fact that everything we see is really just a representation of reality -- a virtual reality.

The sunset we see is not the sunset when you get down to it. It is a representative image of what your brain processed a fraction of a second ago. Everything we sense is time-delayed thusly.

We only think it is the "correct" version of reality because we are prejudiced. The house fly or earth worm would disagree with our perception and rightly so.

Ironically, if the sun's fire suddenly went out, it would be 8 1/3 minutes before we became aware that anything unusual had happened. Clearly we would not know "reality" for 8 1/3 minutes.

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It's clear why the concept of beauty regarding members of a species is important.

Perhaps the concept, having come along in that fashion and for that reason, simply applies to other things, as well.

And, just perhaps, the beauty of a sunset is being over-analyzed on this topic.

DF

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Originally posted by DeepFat:
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It's clear why the concept of beauty regarding members of a species is important.

Perhaps the concept, having come along in that fashion and for that reason, simply applies to other things, as well.

And, just perhaps, the beauty of a sunset is being over-analyzed on this topic.

DF

Fat, I don't understand. I have already addressed the topic of your link several times in this thread. Why would the desire of a woman necessary for procreation, just simply apply to other non-essential things as well?

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Originally posted by Cookey:

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Originally posted by CrustyMac:
I'm not up on the psychology of perception, I just know it is a fascinating area of ongoing study. I'm sure with just a little effort, you can find some very good explanations of why we perceive anything as anything.

True. One mind boggler that I ponder from time to time is the fact that everything we see is really just a representation of reality -- a virtual reality.

The sunset we see is not the sunset when you get down to it. It is a representative image of what your brain processed a fraction of a second ago. Everything we sense is time-delayed thusly.

We only think it is the "correct" version of reality because we are prejudiced. The house fly or earth worm would disagree with our perception and rightly so.

Cookey, a more precise explanation would be that one's optic nerve is responding to the stimuli of light reflecting from an object, or in the case of a sunset, one's optic nerve is responding to filtered light generated directly from the sun allowing one to not just see white light as normal, but lights from the lower end of the color spectrum as well. This is a brief and simple explanation of what physically happens when one marvels at the beauty of a sunset, yet no one (including myself) can give a plausible physical explanation as to why the nerve impulses delivered from the optic nerve to the brain are perceived by the brain as pleasurable. One can say that endorphins, serotonin, or other chemicals are released, but no one can say why this happens or why it causes the brain to perceive pleasure. My explanation is that God created us that way. I know it's simplistic to you (I knew this before you pointed it out), but it is the explanation at this time that bests fits the question at hand. At least that's my belief. I respect your right to believe otherwise, but if you're going to call me a moron, you should have better evidence to back you up.

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Fat, I don't understand.

I believe you.

All I'm saying is, that the concept of beauty, derived for one purpose, then might apply to other things.

Why should we regard sunsets and sunrises as anything other than beautiful? We and our ancestors have witnessed them for millions of years. They are a twice-daily affirmation of predictable cycles, with which we are comfortable. We know what they mean, we know what they portend. They are part of us, and to disavow that would be to regard ourselves as unbeautiful. We don't.

What if, one day, there was no sunset? We would be most upset. As creatures of pleasant habits, we seek the rythmic cycles of nature, sunrise, sunset, the seasons, the cycles of the moon. They ground us in reality.

If one of them were to suddenly stop, we would be most concerned. That's why we see them as beautiful, because we depend on them.

We depend on food. Would you prefer to eat a perfect, beautiful apple, or a spotty, disfigured one?

We see as beautiful those things to which we have been accustomed, in their finer forms, from time immorial. Perfectly understandable from either an evolutionary viewpoint or a poetic one, choose one or both.

DF

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Originally posted by DeepFat:

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Fat, I don't understand.

I believe you.

All I'm saying is, that the concept of beauty, derived for one purpose, then might apply to other things.

Why should we regard sunsets and sunrises as anything other than beautiful? We and our ancestors have witnessed them for millions of years. They are a twice-daily affirmation of predictable cycles, with which we are comfortable. We know what they mean, we know what they portend. They are part of us, and to disavow that would be to regard ourselves as unbeautiful. We don't.

What if, one day, there was no sunset? We would be most upset. As creatures of pleasant habits, we seek the rythmic cycles of nature, sunrise, sunset, the seasons, the cycles of the moon. They ground us in reality.

If one of them were to suddenly stop, we would be most concerned. That's why we see them as beautiful, because we depend on them.

We depend on food. Would you prefer to eat a perfect, beautiful apple, or a spotty, disfigured one?

We see as beautiful those things to which we have been accustomed, in their finer forms, from time immorial. Perfectly understandable from either an evolutionary viewpoint or a poetic one, choose one or both.

DF

We don't depend on Mozart. There is no evolutionary benefit for his music, yet I think a lot of people would say it's beautiful.

Seeing a mountain range covered in snow is not something I see every day. It's not something I depend on nor does it hold any benefit for me. Yet, I can see the beauty in it and be awestruck by it. Evolution simply can't be stretched far enough to answer why I see the beauty of that scene.

I've stood on a snow trail on Mt. Spokane looking out at the distant mountain range and was mesmerized by it's immense beauty. I stopped the four wheeler just to sit and stare for a while. Did that beauty actually exist?

Why are sunsets "beautiful"?

Because they have lots of reds and purples.

Yes, Nash, the beauty existed in your mind, even if the colors were not reds and purples.


DF

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Yes, Nash, the beauty existed in your mind, even if the colors were not reds and purples.

Can you prove that beauty existed in my mind scientifically?

Only in the way that I can prove that you love your family. It's a universal experience.

No one does not know love or beauty.


DF

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Originally posted by DeepFat:
Only in the way that I can prove that you love your family. It's a universal experience.

No one does not know love or beauty.


DF

Is it possible that some people do not know how to love or appreciate beauty? If we evolved eyesight to benefit us, yet sometimes people are born blind, is it not also possible that some people may be born without the ability to appreciate beauty or feel love? Is there scientific evidence that proves everyone feels love and recognizes beauty?

If there is no way to prove scientifically that a mountain range is beautiful, then how can we know that it is?

We deal with the normative, at least in evolutionary terms.

There are aberrations, to be sure. They seldom make a difference.

Think on this: If someone is born without a sense of beauty or love, is that person likely to procreate? Such is evolution.

DF

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We deal with the normative, at least in evolutionary terms.

There are aberrations, to be sure. They seldom make a difference.

Think on this: If someone is born without a sense of beauty or love, is that person likely to procreate? Such is evolution.

You didn't answer the question. How can you prove scientificly that a mountain range or Mozart's music is beautiful?

Sexual attraction and beauty are two separate things. I wasn't attracted sexually to the mountains and I don't get aroused when I hear Mozart. Yet, those are two examples of beauty.

Could someone without a sense of beauty or love procreate? Absolutely. People have sex without being in love all the time. People sleep with others that they are not particularly attracted to all the time. Evolution doesn't answer the reason we recognize beauty in non sexual ways. It doesn't benefit our species at all, yet it's there.

So if we both agree beauty exists, can the scientific method be applied to it?

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Could someone without a sense of beauty or love procreate? Absolutely. People have sex without being in love all the time. People sleep with others that they are not particularly attracted to all the time. Evolution doesn't answer the reason we recognize beauty in non sexual ways. It doesn't benefit our species at all, yet it's there.

Without being in love, yes. But without attraction? Attraction from beauty? It's difficult for any species to procreate with another member one finds unattractive.

And, once again, the concept of beauty might have evolved as a reproductive mechanism, but being a concept of things we see with our eyes, could it not naturally extend to those things upon which we depend in nature? It could.

Cats have all the same emotions we do, and, I'm convinced, a few more we cannot imagine.


DF