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Originally posted by Bill Gray:


Yes, my Friend, there is indeed ONE eternal, preexisting GOD, manifested in Three Persons: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. And, one day, WE ALL must stand before Him in judgment. You would do well to get your reservation for the Believer's Judgment -- for it is a judgment of rewards. The other judgment, the Great White Throne Judgment (Revelation 20:11-15) is the judgment of punishment -- and, believe me -- you do not want to stand in line for God's punishment.


The good news is through judgement all will be saved and learn how to be righteous. But who can believe it?

Isa 26:9 With my soul have I desired thee in the night; yea, with my spirit within me will I seek thee early: for when thy judgments are in the earth, the inhabitants of the world will learn righteousness.

Rev 15:4 Who shall not fear thee, O Lord, and glorify thy name? for thou only art holy: for all nations shall come and worship before thee; for thy judgments are made manifest.

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Originally posted by Bill Gray:
But, the really nice thing about our God -- is that He allows YOU to choose which you want: eternal rewards in heaven or eternal lake of fire in hell. YOU get to choose -- so, choose wisely, my Friend -- for eternity is a very, very long time.


Joh 15:16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.

1Pe 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
1Pe 2:10 Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.

Rom 9:16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.

gdriggs
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Originally posted by Not Shallow Not Slim:
God didn't take all of six days to form the world... he took billions of years.

From the Big Bang to the creation of the Solar System, stars coalesced, burned out, exploded, and sent into the Cosmos the stuff of which we are made.

A couple billion years later, life arose here on Earth. Perhaps elsewhere, it will be interesting to know where and when.

There was light before life, unlike the account in Genesis.

The literal Six Day Creation is the worst and most destructive sort of superstition. More and more of us are seeing that, and you don't need my word for it. Seek any science source. Use your common sense. Be real. It's easy.

nsns


I couldn't agree with you more. Not because of science books, but because the bible says so. Scriptures knew way before any of us did.

Here is probably one of the most accurate translations of the Hebrew 'yom' or 'day' I've have ever seen, and it's from the Fenton bible.

Gen. 1-5

By Periods [Headships] GOD created that which produced the Solar Systems; then that which produced the Earth. But the Earth was unorganised and empty; and darkness covered its convulsed surface; while the breath of GOD rocked the surface of its waters. GOD then said, "Let there be light;" and light came. And God gazed upon that beautiful light; and GOD divided the light from the darkness. And to the light GOD gave the name of Day, and to the darkness He gave the name of Night. This was the close and the dawn of the first age [yom-day].

Compare this to the KJV which makes it sound like a literal day as we know it.

Gen 1:5 And GodH430 calledH7121 the lightH216 Day,H3117 and the darknessH2822 he calledH7121 Night.H3915 And the eveningH6153 and the morningH1242 wereH1961 the firstH259 day.H3117

'Day' from the Hebrew

H3117
יום
yôm
yome
From an unused root meaning to be hot; a day (as the warm hours), whether literally (from sunrise to sunset, or from one sunset to the next), or figuratively (a space of time defined by an associated term), (often used adverbially): - age, + always, + chronicles, continually (-ance), daily, ([birth-], each, to) day, (now a, two) days (agone), + elder, X end, + evening, + (for) ever (-lasting, -more), X full, life, as (so) long as (. . . live), (even) now, + old, + outlived, + perpetually, presently, + remaineth, X required, season, X since, space, then, (process of) time, + as at other times, + in trouble, weather, (as) when, (a, the, within a) while (that), X whole (+ age), (full) year (-ly), + younger.

Personally I think science is only starting to scratch the surface with what has already been known and written thousands of years ago.

For those who hunger for truth and are sick to the stomach from the lies Christendom preaches, check this paper out. It's from the mobile 2009 conference that L. Ray Smith held. http://forums.bible-truths.com...p/topic,11521.0.html

Short excerpt from that paper.

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Here’s a couple of scriptures. On that last one, “forty days and forty nights” is reckoned as the “the first time” (Heb. Yom/day). So there’s yom, which is translated day, translated “time” here and it lasted for “forty days and forty nights.”

Deu 20:19 When you shall besiege a city a long time (day--yom)…

Joshua 11:18 Joshua made war a long time (yom--day) with all those kings.

1 Sam 7:2 And it came to pass, while the ark abode in Kirjathjearim, that the time (yom--day) was long; for it was twenty years:

How long did that “time” period last? “Twenty years.” It’s called a yom or a day.

1Kings 11:42 And the time (yom--day) that Solomon reigned in Jerusalem over all Israel was forty years.

A forty year ‘day.’

2Kings 10:36 And the time (yom--day) that Jehu reigned over Israel in Samaria was twenty and eight years.

This ‘day’ lasted twenty-eight years!

1Sam 27:7 And the time (yom--day) that David dwelt in the country of the Philistines was a full year and four months.

Here’s one that’s a year and four months. But they are all called a ‘day.’ A yom - a day is often used in scripture to represent a period of time, sometimes consisting of a very long period of time, even years.

Here’s the main point to learn from this section: The way the Bible oftentimes uses a day, like in Genesis where God said, “let there be light… the evening and morning were the first day.” The way that the Bible oftentimes uses the word “day” is not the ‘definition’ of the word day.

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Peace,

gdriggs
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Originally posted by thenagel:
quote:
Originally posted by Not Shallow Not Slim:
The literal Six Day Creation is the worst and most destructive sort of superstition. More and more of us are seeing that, and you don't need my word for it. Seek any science source. Use your common sense. Be real. It's easy.

nsns


ehhh.. i dunno about that.. i do think it's damaging, but worst?

i'd have to take the concept of ' original sin' to be the worst and most destructive things in the bible.. to teach our children that they are inherently evil and wicken from the minute they were born, and no matter how good they are, they can never be good.
is it any wonder why there is so much sadness and hate and fear in the world? is it any surprise that therapists make so much money? it's because we are trained from the begining to believe that no matter what we want to have, we are unworthy, we are wicked, and there is nothing that we can do about it. if we wish to stop being wicked, we must plead to some other guy, the guy who made us wicked to begin with, to let us be clean and worthy, by his will.

it's worse, to me, than the bible seemingly condoning slaverly.
with slavery, each instance affects two people - the slave and the slave owner.

original sin affects everyone.
original sin causes the victim to lock the slave chains on themselves, and fight anyone who tries to set them free.
slavery puts chains around ankles and wrists, original sin puts chains in the heart and minds.

original sin even affects athiests and, appearently Diests Smiler, even when we don't buy into OS ourselves.. because every one around us is going to fight back because they KNOW they are unworthy, they KNOW they are sinners, they KNOW they are wicked, and the only way they can be saved is by begging forgivness form the entity who made them evil wicked sinners in the first place.

talk about racketeering. talk about paying the danegeld.

hey.. you.. pssst.. commere... yeah.. look.. you're evil, right.. yeah.. cause i said so, that's why... yeah.. evil and wicked.... so.. tell me i'm god, and gimmie fifty bucks, and you'll be ok...

a doctoer gives you a new medicine... only the medicine changes your body chemistry.. and now you must take another medicine to counter the changes or you feel horrible and sick. so the doctor charges you an arm and a leg for the 2nd medicine, and demands you to write a formal thank you note delivered on your knees every week. if you don't, he withholds the meds, even if you've already paid.

i could go on and on but i won't. now i'm in a pisspoor mood, and i'm out of rum.
/sigh.

Well there you go nagel. Alcohol has taken over.

Recommend it to our children before you close business for the day.
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Originally posted by buffalo:
Well there you go nagel. Alcohol has taken over.

Recommend it to our children before you close business for the day.


wake up and pay attention in class, please..
i said i was out of rum. i didn't say i had just run out, or i was now out. i said i was out. i've been out for a few days.
it's very sad.
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Originally posted by gdriggs:
quote:
Originally posted by Not Shallow Not Slim:
God didn't take all of six days to form the world... he took billions of years.

From the Big Bang to the creation of the Solar System, stars coalesced, burned out, exploded, and sent into the Cosmos the stuff of which we are made.

A couple billion years later, life arose here on Earth. Perhaps elsewhere, it will be interesting to know where and when.

There was light before life, unlike the account in Genesis.

The literal Six Day Creation is the worst and most destructive sort of superstition. More and more of us are seeing that, and you don't need my word for it. Seek any science source. Use your common sense. Be real. It's easy.

nsns


I couldn't agree with you more. Not because of science books, but because the bible says so. Scriptures knew way before any of us did.

Here is probably one of the most accurate translations of the Hebrew 'yom' or 'day' I've have ever seen, and it's from the Fenton bible.

Gen. 1-5

By Periods [Headships] GOD created that which produced the Solar Systems; then that which produced the Earth. But the Earth was unorganised and empty; and darkness covered its convulsed surface; while the breath of GOD rocked the surface of its waters. GOD then said, "Let there be light;" and light came. And God gazed upon that beautiful light; and GOD divided the light from the darkness. And to the light GOD gave the name of Day, and to the darkness He gave the name of Night. This was the close and the dawn of the first age [yom-day].

Compare this to the KJV which makes it sound like a literal day as we know it.

Gen 1:5 And GodH430 calledH7121 the lightH216 Day,H3117 and the darknessH2822 he calledH7121 Night.H3915 And the eveningH6153 and the morningH1242 wereH1961 the firstH259 day.H3117

'Day' from the Hebrew

H3117
יום
yôm
yome
From an unused root meaning to be hot; a day (as the warm hours), whether literally (from sunrise to sunset, or from one sunset to the next), or figuratively (a space of time defined by an associated term), (often used adverbially): - age, + always, + chronicles, continually (-ance), daily, ([birth-], each, to) day, (now a, two) days (agone), + elder, X end, + evening, + (for) ever (-lasting, -more), X full, life, as (so) long as (. . . live), (even) now, + old, + outlived, + perpetually, presently, + remaineth, X required, season, X since, space, then, (process of) time, + as at other times, + in trouble, weather, (as) when, (a, the, within a) while (that), X whole (+ age), (full) year (-ly), + younger.

Personally I think science is only starting to scratch the surface with what has already been known and written thousands of years ago.

For those who hunger for truth and are sick to the stomach from the lies Christendom preaches, check this paper out. It's from the mobile 2009 conference that L. Ray Smith held. http://forums.bible-truths.com...p/topic,11521.0.html

Short excerpt from that paper.

--------------------------------
Here’s a couple of scriptures. On that last one, “forty days and forty nights” is reckoned as the “the first time” (Heb. Yom/day). So there’s yom, which is translated day, translated “time” here and it lasted for “forty days and forty nights.”

Deu 20:19 When you shall besiege a city a long time (day--yom)…

Joshua 11:18 Joshua made war a long time (yom--day) with all those kings.

1 Sam 7:2 And it came to pass, while the ark abode in Kirjathjearim, that the time (yom--day) was long; for it was twenty years:

How long did that “time” period last? “Twenty years.” It’s called a yom or a day.

1Kings 11:42 And the time (yom--day) that Solomon reigned in Jerusalem over all Israel was forty years.

A forty year ‘day.’

2Kings 10:36 And the time (yom--day) that Jehu reigned over Israel in Samaria was twenty and eight years.

This ‘day’ lasted twenty-eight years!

1Sam 27:7 And the time (yom--day) that David dwelt in the country of the Philistines was a full year and four months.

Here’s one that’s a year and four months. But they are all called a ‘day.’ A yom - a day is often used in scripture to represent a period of time, sometimes consisting of a very long period of time, even years.

Here’s the main point to learn from this section: The way the Bible oftentimes uses a day, like in Genesis where God said, “let there be light… the evening and morning were the first day.” The way that the Bible oftentimes uses the word “day” is not the ‘definition’ of the word day.

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Peace,

gdriggs


Crazy ole Glen Beck couldn't have said it better.

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