Could it be because there is a great big empty hole in their souls that can never be filled, no matter how much iniquity they spew toward their fellow man.
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I suppose because hanging out in the cross stitching section would be a little boring? Where else would they hang out?
haha bust, they wanna be close to Bro Bill incase there is a Rapture and he could sneak them in. lol
quote:Originally posted by Sofa King:
I suppose because hanging out in the cross stitching section would be a little boring? Where else would they hang out?
Hey Sofa,
Busta gave me a great idea! Why don't we petition the TimesDaily to start an Atheist/Secularist Forum -- like we did to get the Religion Forum separated from the Misc Forum. Then all 3 of you could post over there, share Richard Dawkins stories, and call each other athiest names. And, maybe in about ten years, you guys can attract 3 or 4 more and have a thriving forum for all the atheists and secularist. Isn't that a great idea?
No, we need Deep here on the Religion Forum. He gives us too good a platform for sharing the Gospel. Without his atheist rhetoric, what would we refute?
God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,
Bill
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Why do Christians hang out in Bars?
It ant to witness unless it is to witness their fellow Christians doing unchristian things.
It ant to witness unless it is to witness their fellow Christians doing unchristian things.
Why do the religious inject their dogma into business, education, and politics?
If I thought y'all would leave me alone, I wouldn't be here.
If I thought y'all would leave me alone, I wouldn't be here.
My guess is to do verbal battle. They usually feel so intellectually superior and feel that anyone religious is so inferior or ignorant that they can either cast doubt in the minds of the believers or somehow make themselves feel some form of gratification with attempts to ridicule anyone that believes differently than they or has belief in God.
Could be though so that the Scriptures could be shown to still possess relevance today as have throughout the years.
1 Corinthians 1:18-31 (TLB) 18 I know very well how foolish it sounds to those who are lost, when they hear that Jesus died to save them. But we who are saved recognize this message as the very power of God. 19 For God says, "I will destroy all human plans of salvation no matter how wise they seem to be, and ignore the best ideas of men, even the most brilliant of them." 20 So what about these wise men, these scholars, these brilliant debaters of this world’s great affairs? God has made them all look foolish and shown their wisdom to be useless nonsense. 21 For God in his wisdom saw to it that the world would never find God through human brilliance, and then he stepped in and saved all those who believed his message, which the world calls foolish and silly. 22 It seems foolish to the Jews because they want a sign from heaven as proof that what is preached is true; and it is foolish to the Gentiles because they believe only what agrees with their philosophy and seems wise to them. 23 So when we preach about Christ dying to save them, the Jews are offended and the Gentiles say it’s all nonsense. 24 But God has opened the eyes of those called to salvation, both Jews and Gentiles, to see that Christ is the mighty power of God to save them; Christ himself is the center of God’s wise plan for their salvation. 25 This so-called "foolish" plan of God is far wiser than the wisest plan of the wisest man, and God in his weakness—Christ dying on the cross—is far stronger than any man. 26 Notice among yourselves, dear brothers, that few of you who follow Christ have big names or power or wealth. 27 Instead, God has deliberately chosen to use ideas the world considers foolish and of little worth in order to shame those people considered by the world as wise and great. 28 He has chosen a plan despised by the world, counted as nothing at all, and used it to bring down to nothing those the world considers great, 29 so that no one anywhere can ever brag in the presence of God. 30 For it is from God alone that you have your life through Christ Jesus. He showed us God’s plan of salvation; he was the one who made us acceptable to God; he made us pure and holy and gave himself to purchase our salvation. 31 As it says in the Scriptures, "If anyone is going to boast, let him boast only of what the Lord has done."
Romans 1:21-23 (TLB) 21 Yes, they knew about him all right, but they wouldn’t admit it or worship him or even thank him for all his daily care. And after awhile they began to think up silly ideas of what God was like and what he wanted them to do. The result was that their foolish minds became dark and confused. 22 Claiming themselves to be wise without God, they became utter fools instead. 23 And then, instead of worshiping the glorious, ever-living God, they took wood and stone and made idols for themselves, carving them to look like mere birds and animals and snakes and puny men.
1 Corinthians 3:18-21 (TLB) 18 Stop fooling yourselves. If you count yourself above average in intelligence, as judged by this world’s standards, you had better put this all aside and be a fool rather than let it hold you back from the true wisdom from above. 19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness to God. As it says in the book of Job, God uses man’s own brilliance to trap him; he stumbles over his own "wisdom" and falls. 20 And again, in the book of Psalms, we are told that the Lord knows full well how the human mind reasons and how foolish and futile it is. 21 So don’t be proud of following the wise men of this world. For God has already given you everything you need.
Could be though so that the Scriptures could be shown to still possess relevance today as have throughout the years.
1 Corinthians 1:18-31 (TLB) 18 I know very well how foolish it sounds to those who are lost, when they hear that Jesus died to save them. But we who are saved recognize this message as the very power of God. 19 For God says, "I will destroy all human plans of salvation no matter how wise they seem to be, and ignore the best ideas of men, even the most brilliant of them." 20 So what about these wise men, these scholars, these brilliant debaters of this world’s great affairs? God has made them all look foolish and shown their wisdom to be useless nonsense. 21 For God in his wisdom saw to it that the world would never find God through human brilliance, and then he stepped in and saved all those who believed his message, which the world calls foolish and silly. 22 It seems foolish to the Jews because they want a sign from heaven as proof that what is preached is true; and it is foolish to the Gentiles because they believe only what agrees with their philosophy and seems wise to them. 23 So when we preach about Christ dying to save them, the Jews are offended and the Gentiles say it’s all nonsense. 24 But God has opened the eyes of those called to salvation, both Jews and Gentiles, to see that Christ is the mighty power of God to save them; Christ himself is the center of God’s wise plan for their salvation. 25 This so-called "foolish" plan of God is far wiser than the wisest plan of the wisest man, and God in his weakness—Christ dying on the cross—is far stronger than any man. 26 Notice among yourselves, dear brothers, that few of you who follow Christ have big names or power or wealth. 27 Instead, God has deliberately chosen to use ideas the world considers foolish and of little worth in order to shame those people considered by the world as wise and great. 28 He has chosen a plan despised by the world, counted as nothing at all, and used it to bring down to nothing those the world considers great, 29 so that no one anywhere can ever brag in the presence of God. 30 For it is from God alone that you have your life through Christ Jesus. He showed us God’s plan of salvation; he was the one who made us acceptable to God; he made us pure and holy and gave himself to purchase our salvation. 31 As it says in the Scriptures, "If anyone is going to boast, let him boast only of what the Lord has done."
Romans 1:21-23 (TLB) 21 Yes, they knew about him all right, but they wouldn’t admit it or worship him or even thank him for all his daily care. And after awhile they began to think up silly ideas of what God was like and what he wanted them to do. The result was that their foolish minds became dark and confused. 22 Claiming themselves to be wise without God, they became utter fools instead. 23 And then, instead of worshiping the glorious, ever-living God, they took wood and stone and made idols for themselves, carving them to look like mere birds and animals and snakes and puny men.
1 Corinthians 3:18-21 (TLB) 18 Stop fooling yourselves. If you count yourself above average in intelligence, as judged by this world’s standards, you had better put this all aside and be a fool rather than let it hold you back from the true wisdom from above. 19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness to God. As it says in the book of Job, God uses man’s own brilliance to trap him; he stumbles over his own "wisdom" and falls. 20 And again, in the book of Psalms, we are told that the Lord knows full well how the human mind reasons and how foolish and futile it is. 21 So don’t be proud of following the wise men of this world. For God has already given you everything you need.
quote:like we did to get the Religion Forum separated from the Misc Forum. Then all 3 of you could post over there
See? I imagine this is why they post here. Just because I have a scientific background, am interested in scientific matters and defend science and my religion against he anti-intellectualism of fundamentalists, I am called an atheist.
Bill, news for you: science and atheism do not necessarily go hand in hand. They often do but it doesn't have to be that way.
Your brand of stupidity generates passion for the subject. Besides, if all the atheists disappeared you'd have nothing to talk about here.
quote:Originally posted by Sofa King:
[QUOTE]Besides, if all the atheists disappeared you'd have nothing to talk about here.
Not true. Not all non-Christians are atheists, so Bill WOULD have something to talk about.
quote:Bill, news for you: science and atheism do not necessarily go hand in hand. They often do but it doesn't have to be that way.
And Sofa does a very good job at defending both a scientific mind and Faith in God. And demonstrating how they can be complimentary.
Now, with no atheists on this forum. What would we discuss?
Hmm...Obama's birth certificate, 101 Reasons why the Catholic Church is wrong, and we would argue about who is going to Heaven, and who is spending eternity in Hell....lol
so productive...
The "atheists" have every right to post their beleifs and opinions here- The conviction that Christians feel about Christ?
Well not everybody feels that way.
I daresay "atheists" feel the same conviction that there is *NO* such thing.
Equally valid ways of thinking, right?
Right.
As I said before, we only truly learn when we step outside our comfort zone.
quote:My guess is to do verbal battle. They usually feel so intellectually superior and feel that anyone religious is so inferior or ignorant that they can either cast doubt in the minds of the believers or somehow make themselves feel some form of gratification with attempts to ridicule anyone that believes differently than they or has belief in God.
GB- with all due respect, i kinda disagree....
The "atheists" around here are respectful when treated in kind. Argue? sometimes. Even (if not more) among Christians!!
But I don't sense the feeling of superiority or ridicule.
JMO.
ADDENDUM- Ok, I read the thread on evolution. I agree with your stance over there 100percent. Those topics I tend to stay away from, as it is impossible to prove that God exists- goes against the very definition of "faith".
So, I sense your frustration, but I truly don't think they are feeling superior or trying to make Christians look stupid- looks like pretty healthy debate to me!
quote:Originally posted by Billy Joe Bob Gene:
Why do the religious inject their dogma into business, education, and politics?
If I thought y'all would leave me alone, I wouldn't be here.
No billy joe,
You and slim stick around.
I have plans for you two.
If I can procure a booth at the Fair; I’m going to bill y’all as transitional fossils.
Except Billy Joe, he thinks he knows everything.
But he is wrong, I KNOW EVERYTHING!
with a few exceptions:
Number 1 son says I know nothing,
Number 1 daughter says I know a little,
Hubby says Yes Mam.
But he is wrong, I KNOW EVERYTHING!
with a few exceptions:
Number 1 son says I know nothing,
Number 1 daughter says I know a little,
Hubby says Yes Mam.
quote:Originally posted by Tomme73:quote:Originally posted by Sofa King:
[QUOTE]Besides, if all the atheists disappeared you'd have nothing to talk about here.
Not true. Not all non-Christians are atheists, so Bill WOULD have something to talk about.
I do not understand. Are you saying a Muslim is an atheist?
sofa coukld wear a sandwich sign and bark for the caper.
quote:Originally posted by vplee123:quote:My guess is to do verbal battle. They usually feel so intellectually superior and feel that anyone religious is so inferior or ignorant that they can either cast doubt in the minds of the believers or somehow make themselves feel some form of gratification with attempts to ridicule anyone that believes differently than they or has belief in God.
GB- with all due respect, i kinda disagree....
The "atheists" around here are respectful when treated in kind. Argue? sometimes. Even (if not more) among Christians!!
But I don't sense the feeling of superiority or ridicule.
JMO.
ADDENDUM- Ok, I read the thread on evolution. I agree with your stance over there 100percent. Those topics I tend to stay away from, as it is impossible to prove that God exists- goes against the very definition of "faith".
So, I sense your frustration, but I truly don't think they are feeling superior or trying to make Christians look stupid- looks like pretty healthy debate to me!
vplee123,
While I didn't mean to paint all atheist with a broad brush I do realize that many, even past offenders, can be civil and are at times.
There are as there have been times though that without provocation personal attacks have been used and some to such a degree that it got them banned from the forum. Some are accused of resurrecting themselves under new forum names however I cannot or will not make those assertions for I cannot back them up and it would not be fair to do so.
I'm very glad that most if not all of our forum atheist have been civil to you and I hope it remains that way but in the past and at times now when you disagree with them or find the right topic to discuss you can bet personal attacks are on the agenda and are used without provocation so, yes a judgment of my own, I state they do so in order to feel intellectually superior to others.
I'll accept your respectful disagreement and try and be less judgmental ... I really don't want to prejudge anyone and do at times get caught up if I feel attacked or feel like another forum member is being attacked unjustifiably. Forgive me also, (well hopefully) if at times I seem to go on the attack against the attackers but when I do I try to keep it civil, above board, out of the gutter, and in a way that intellectually sounds good. Besides it at times confounds them and leaves them steaming .. I just smile and hope it has a desired effect. I know I am not the brightest bulb on the tree but I also don't have my head in the sand or between my legs so I try to make a point to speak up at appropriate times and in appropriate ways and in doing so if I perhaps happen to give one of my intellectually superior foes a moment of pause then it's worth smiling about. In the end at times you just have to agree to disagree. Also thanks for the words of support regarding the "other topic"
The atheist on here suffer from Optical Rectitis.
quote:I'll accept your respectful disagreement and try and be less judgmental ... I really don't want to prejudge anyone and do at times get caught up if I feel attacked or feel like another forum member is being attacked unjustifiably
I don't think you're judgemental at all. I know there has been attacks in the past- i thought things were a little better though...
I too get "wound up" when I feel attacked, or that someone else is, like you said, unjustifiably.
I guess that's just healthy compassion.
Personal attacks do fly around here sometimes, and it is so sad. I'm a Christian, but I respect that this is the "RELIGION" forum- not the Christianity forum.
For what its worth, I think you make very good points-
And we NEED the atheists- not for what Bill thinks, as a platform to preach- but, I firmly believe that one has to understand the converse to their beliefs in order to understand their beliefs fully.
Cheers
I was once an athiest. I believed that religion was a crutch for weak minded people. I believed that if folks would just grow a spine and take care of themselves instead of leaning on religion, they would be happier and mentally healthier.
So I think that some of the athiests here are actually trying to help us. They are not evil people, they want us to "see the light" that they see. They want us to use our minds instead of our hearts.
I can see this from both sides. And I no longer have any conflict. I still use my brain. I believe in science. I believe in God. The two are NOT mutually exclusive. As far as I'm concerned, although I would LIKE to see everybody have the same joy and peace I have found through Jesus, I will NEVER force my beliefs on anyone.
Teach by example. Lead through example. Live your life the way you want to, hoping your example will show others that they too can find true happiness and peace. Keep religion out of government so no one can acuse Christians of pushing their agenda on anyone.
One of the greatest words in the English language is CHOICE. Not only because it implies a certain amount of freedom, but because the choosing never ends. Today, an athiest might choose to deny there is a God. Tomorrow, they may choose to believe there is a God. But I will never try to force anyone to choose. All I can do is live my life my own way.
Another example, or analogy if you will: Most people like fresh tomatoes. I don't like them. There is absolutely nothing you can do or say that will make me like tomatoes. BUT WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO?
So I think that some of the athiests here are actually trying to help us. They are not evil people, they want us to "see the light" that they see. They want us to use our minds instead of our hearts.
I can see this from both sides. And I no longer have any conflict. I still use my brain. I believe in science. I believe in God. The two are NOT mutually exclusive. As far as I'm concerned, although I would LIKE to see everybody have the same joy and peace I have found through Jesus, I will NEVER force my beliefs on anyone.
Teach by example. Lead through example. Live your life the way you want to, hoping your example will show others that they too can find true happiness and peace. Keep religion out of government so no one can acuse Christians of pushing their agenda on anyone.
One of the greatest words in the English language is CHOICE. Not only because it implies a certain amount of freedom, but because the choosing never ends. Today, an athiest might choose to deny there is a God. Tomorrow, they may choose to believe there is a God. But I will never try to force anyone to choose. All I can do is live my life my own way.
Another example, or analogy if you will: Most people like fresh tomatoes. I don't like them. There is absolutely nothing you can do or say that will make me like tomatoes. BUT WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO?
quote:So I think that some of the athiests here are actually trying to help us. They are not evil people, they want us to "see the light" that they see. They want us to use our minds instead of our hearts.
I can see this from both sides. And I no longer have any conflict. I still use my brain. I believe in science. I believe in God. The two are NOT mutually exclusive. As far as I'm concerned, although I would LIKE to see everybody have the same joy and peace I have found through Jesus, I will NEVER force my beliefs on anyone.
Amen to that.
It is a difference of philosophy, not one side evil or good.
quote:Originally posted by oLDsEAdADDY:
Why do Christians hang out in Bars?
It ant to witness unless it is to witness their fellow Christians doing unchristian things.
What kind of "unChristian" things have you seen Christians doing in a bar?
quote:Originally posted by vplee123:quote:Bill, news for you: science and atheism do not necessarily go hand in hand. They often do but it doesn't have to be that way.
And Sofa does a very good job at defending both a scientific mind and Faith in God. And demonstrating how they can be complimentary.
Now, with no atheists on this forum. What would we discuss?
Hmm...Obama's birth certificate, 101 Reasons why the Catholic Church is wrong, and we would argue about who is going to Heaven, and who is spending eternity in Hell....lol
so productive...
The "atheists" have every right to post their beleifs and opinions here- The conviction that Christians feel about Christ?
Well not everybody feels that way.
I daresay "atheists" feel the same conviction that there is *NO* such thing.
Equally valid ways of thinking, right?
Right.
As I said before, we only truly learn when we step outside our comfort zone.
veep, it always seems that before I can gather my thoughts, I read your comments and then there is no need for my words... as they are exactly the same as what you've already written. You know what they say about incredible minds...
Why, indeed.
Could it be because atheists are held in contempt by cowardly religious types so often?
Nice try gbrk! Loving it! Wrong, but loving it. Obviously there are many highly intelligent religious people. I've had many pleasant conversations about religion with some of them. I suggest you are confusing "Creationist" with "religious". Creationists are somewhere between retarded and schemingly devious.
I don't mind telling you I have zero respect for their dishonest and reprehensible position on science, which includes some sort of genesis and evolution, to name but a couple.
Creationists begin with the assumption that the Bible is literally true. A thinking person cannot adopt this premise.
How many brains with potential has fundamentalism stifled? How many promising science students have had fatal doubts implanted in their young skulls full of mush (tm) by ignoramus preachers? How many more possibly brilliant scientists, philosophers, and artists will be ruined by your ancient superstitious taboos against independent thinking?
Shame on you.
nsns
Could it be because atheists are held in contempt by cowardly religious types so often?
What an idiot. Busta, there is a great big empty hole in your head that can never be filled, no matter how much you try, because you're a dumbbass redneck. Sorry. Just calling them like I see them.quote:Could it be because there is a great big empty hole in their souls that can never be filled, no matter how much iniquity they spew toward their fellow man.
quote:My guess is to do verbal battle. They usually feel so intellectually superior and feel that anyone religious is so inferior or ignorant that they can either cast doubt in the minds of the believers or somehow make themselves feel some form of gratification with attempts to ridicule anyone that believes differently than they or has belief in God.
Nice try gbrk! Loving it! Wrong, but loving it. Obviously there are many highly intelligent religious people. I've had many pleasant conversations about religion with some of them. I suggest you are confusing "Creationist" with "religious". Creationists are somewhere between retarded and schemingly devious.
I don't mind telling you I have zero respect for their dishonest and reprehensible position on science, which includes some sort of genesis and evolution, to name but a couple.
Creationists begin with the assumption that the Bible is literally true. A thinking person cannot adopt this premise.
How many brains with potential has fundamentalism stifled? How many promising science students have had fatal doubts implanted in their young skulls full of mush (tm) by ignoramus preachers? How many more possibly brilliant scientists, philosophers, and artists will be ruined by your ancient superstitious taboos against independent thinking?
Shame on you.
nsns
quote:Originally posted by O No!:
I was once an athiest. I believed that religion was a crutch for weak minded people. I believed that if folks would just grow a spine and take care of themselves instead of leaning on religion, they would be happier and mentally healthier.
So I think that some of the athiests here are actually trying to help us. They are not evil people, they want us to "see the light" that they see. They want us to use our minds instead of our hearts.
I can see this from both sides. And I no longer have any conflict. I still use my brain. I believe in science. I believe in God. The two are NOT mutually exclusive. As far as I'm concerned, although I would LIKE to see everybody have the same joy and peace I have found through Jesus, I will NEVER force my beliefs on anyone.
Teach by example. Lead through example. Live your life the way you want to, hoping your example will show others that they too can find true happiness and peace. Keep religion out of government so no one can acuse Christians of pushing their agenda on anyone.
One of the greatest words in the English language is CHOICE. Not only because it implies a certain amount of freedom, but because the choosing never ends. Today, an athiest might choose to deny there is a God. Tomorrow, they may choose to believe there is a God. But I will never try to force anyone to choose. All I can do is live my life my own way.
Another example, or analogy if you will: Most people like fresh tomatoes. I don't like them. There is absolutely nothing you can do or say that will make me like tomatoes. BUT WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO?
Hmm. I came here awhile back-not on the attack, but asking questions.
The attacks came later when "holier-than-me" people started preaching AT me.
Yes! Tell me how wrong I am for believing what I believe and I'll tear yer heart out and show it to ya before ya hit the floor. Who are they to judge me!?
You GET treated pretty much like you TREAT OTHERS in this world.
Those that just answered my questions to the best of their abilities and left it at that have earned my full respect. Those who relegated me to hell immediately for not blindly following the (insert wacko religious denomination name here) doctrine immediately got both barrels, a brick in a sock, and a good look in the mirror in return.
But I learned from these preachy, simple-minded dweebs, too.
Their responses furthered my knowledge of human nature.
I've seen that there are some righteous Christians here who honestly believe-or really, really WANT to believe in their particular god. I've also seen some really dense pre-programmed simpletons who-even WITH an infusion of religion-act like total a55 holes. Good, righteous Christians until somebody says something that doesn't fit their programming.
Pathetic losers who can't think for themselves either way. Probably got picked on a lot back in school....I dunno.
Well I love a good pissin' contest. I guess that's one of the reasons I'm still here-that and I'm still looking for answers in all the wackobabble.
I still don't really know who Hitchens or Dawkins is and I don't really give a $#!* either. OHare I've heard of but those are her ideas, not mine.
Oh well....Time to quit Dawkin and go feed the Hitchens. Don't want 'em to starve.
Hi, road puppy
If you'd like some video recommendations for Hitchens and/or Dawkins, let me know.
Let's start with this: http://richarddawkins.net/
nsns
If you'd like some video recommendations for Hitchens and/or Dawkins, let me know.
Let's start with this: http://richarddawkins.net/
nsns
Road Pup, I'm glad you're still here too!
If you find all the answers let me know!!
I have lots of questions! cheers!!!!!
If you find all the answers let me know!!
I have lots of questions! cheers!!!!!
Hi, vplee,
I've seen a few of your posts, and would like to introduce myself.
I am DeepFat. Enchantee, my friend.
Are you a fellow atheist?
nsns
I've seen a few of your posts, and would like to introduce myself.
I am DeepFat. Enchantee, my friend.
Are you a fellow atheist?
nsns
Hi DeepFat,
No, not an atheist- Catholic-Christian-
Nice to meet you!
No, not an atheist- Catholic-Christian-
Nice to meet you!
Ah, Catholic.
close enough.
nsns
close enough.
nsns
LOL! Is this the start of a beautiful friendship or what....
quote:Originally posted by Not Shallow Not Slim:
Why, indeed.
Could it be because atheists are held in contempt by cowardly religious types so often?What an idiot. Busta, there is a great big empty hole in your head that can never be filled, no matter how much you try, because you're a dumbbass redneck. Sorry. Just calling them like I see them.quote:Could it be because there is a great big empty hole in their souls that can never be filled, no matter how much iniquity they spew toward their fellow man.
quote:My guess is to do verbal battle. They usually feel so intellectually superior and feel that anyone religious is so inferior or ignorant that they can either cast doubt in the minds of the believers or somehow make themselves feel some form of gratification with attempts to ridicule anyone that believes differently than they or has belief in God.
Nice try gbrk! Loving it! Wrong, but loving it. Obviously there are many highly intelligent religious people. I've had many pleasant conversations about religion with some of them. I suggest you are confusing "Creationist" with "religious". Creationists are somewhere between retarded and schemingly devious.
I don't mind telling you I have zero respect for their dishonest and reprehensible position on science, which includes some sort of genesis and evolution, to name but a couple.
Creationists begin with the assumption that the Bible is literally true. A thinking person cannot adopt this premise.
How many brains with potential has fundamentalism stifled? How many promising science students have had fatal doubts implanted in their young skulls full of mush (tm) by ignoramus preachers? How many more possibly brilliant scientists, philosophers, and artists will be ruined by your ancient superstitious taboos against independent thinking?
Shame on you.
nsns
Nice to see your creative mind at work other than debating. Nice play on screen names however you've been credited, by others, as having other screen names, other than this one. Regardless of the validity of those assertions I think this one is well constructed. As for the latter part of your statement, regarding creationism, you know where I stand and remain regarding my belief in Creation by God and from the other topics my stance on evolution and why I can't personally accept it but you are more than welcome to continue in your illusions, well illusions as I see it.
I also posted, under another topic, a distinct danger when evolution runs unabated but I'm sure you read that also so I won't repeat it here.
I am though curious about what you would envision your Atheist Utopia to be like. The absence of all Christians and other religions and religious people. I am familiar with Liberal, Missouri but I'm talking about a complete atheist utopia a world with total abolishment of anything and anyone religious. Just what would you envision that Utopia to be and would you really want to live there?
Maybe I should have made that a separate topic but I also thought it would fit in here well also.
Thank you.quote:Regardless of the validity of those assertions I think this one is well constructed.
Hm. I haven't thought much about an atheist Utopia, since it's not in the foreseeable future. However, on your suggestion, I envision.... Sweden.
Sweden is about 85% secular in its thinking. The churches there are considered relics from an earlier time.
It's a prosperous, civilized, peaceful country. Except when Muslims come in. They don't seem to fit.
Best,
nsns
quote:BFred07
First, let me qualify one thing, the ones I refer to clam to be Christians. Any and ever thing I have seen unchristians do.
Road Puppy,
I like you and enjoy your post. Please stick around or else I will have very little reason to keep coming back.
that is my answer to why I hang out in a religious forum. Folks like RP, BJBG, Semi, NSNS, Sofa, Vplee, nagel, b50m, leo, and a few others. I enjoy what they have to say and in some cases feel a kindred spirit.
I'm here for the friendship and to support those in need of it.
Busta, I think you need to rethink why YOU are here.
I like you and enjoy your post. Please stick around or else I will have very little reason to keep coming back.
that is my answer to why I hang out in a religious forum. Folks like RP, BJBG, Semi, NSNS, Sofa, Vplee, nagel, b50m, leo, and a few others. I enjoy what they have to say and in some cases feel a kindred spirit.
I'm here for the friendship and to support those in need of it.
Busta, I think you need to rethink why YOU are here.
quote:Originally posted by O No!:
Most people like fresh tomatoes. I don't like them. There is absolutely nothing you can do or say that will make me like tomatoes.
Not even Fried Green Tomatoes???
Wanna have lunch? I'll buy if you'll try'em.
quote:Originally posted by Road Puppy:
Well I love a good pissin' contest. I guess that's one of the reasons I'm still here-that and I'm still looking for answers in all the wackobabble.
wackobabble? I like that word.
quote:Originally posted by gbrk:
My guess is to do verbal battle. They usually feel so intellectually superior and feel that anyone religious is so inferior or ignorant that they can either cast doubt in the minds of the believers or somehow make themselves feel some form of gratification with attempts to ridicule anyone that believes differently than they or has belief in God.
I could name one so called Christian here, but won't though most will know who I refer to, that thinks he is intellectually superior, treats us as inferior or ignorant, ridicule's us daily, evidently for his own form of gratification.
quote:Originally posted by semiannualchick:quote:Originally posted by O No!:
Most people like fresh tomatoes. I don't like them. There is absolutely nothing you can do or say that will make me like tomatoes.
Not even Fried Green Tomatoes???
Wanna have lunch? I'll buy if you'll try'em.
I can't stand them either, LOL. It's almost blasphemy for a suthern to say that.
Puppy,
I love the word wackobabble. Makes the think of the Tower of Babel. It could have it's origins there.
Jank, how the grandchild visit go?
quote:Originally posted by semiannualchick:quote:Originally posted by gbrk:
My guess is to do verbal battle. They usually feel so intellectually superior and feel that anyone religious is so inferior or ignorant that they can either cast doubt in the minds of the believers or somehow make themselves feel some form of gratification with attempts to ridicule anyone that believes differently than they or has belief in God.
I could name one so called Christian here, but won't though most will know who I refer to, that thinks he is intellectually superior, treats us as inferior or ignorant, ridicule's us daily, evidently for his own form of gratification.
Oh please, don't confuse my statement as thinking that we, Christians, don't have our own who do more harm than good at times. Actually, as I am sure you, and others, know we all are identical and have the same, exact same, fallacies and tendencies. You are 100% correct in stating that there are many on both sides of the issue, and in between, that at times do more harm while attempting to do good or good as they see it. I just referred it to some, not all, of our atheist friends who at times find it almost impossible to be civil to those of us beneath them or beneath their superior understanding just because this topic was specifically addressed regarding atheist.
Then too I also realize that many of their rank fully recognize that there are intelligent and capable people in all areas of thought and beliefs so please do not think I'm being far to cynical here, I really don't mean to be.