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Why Do Christians Worship Greed?

Recall how Alabama's Republican governor, Bob Riley, a conservative Christian citing gospel principles, tried to bring some tax fairness to his state in 2003. Riley got smacked down hard by the Christian Coalition, which by that time had adopted "thou shalt not tax the rich" as its 11th Commandment.
Even as corporate villains taste a tiny bit of populist pushback today, it still remains the case that the free markets/deregulation/low taxation creed enjoys a sanctified status among millions of America's twice-born. Jews and Roman Catholics still show some degree of theological/ethical resistance to market fundamentalism, whereas mainline Protestants are almost as split on economics as they are on LGBT justice claims. (One of the ongoing tragicomedies of the mainline world is what often happens to new ministers fresh out of seminary who think it's safe to question Chamber of Commerce verities out there in Ponca City.)


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The republican 11th commandment is "no republican shall speak ill of another republican." The christian 11th commandment is the golden rule -- "love thy neighbor as thy self." With, the understanding that the good Samaritan was an example of a true neighbor.

I'm still awaiting your declaration that Obama must resign the presidency because of his book deal, as Newt Gingrich resigned as Speaker. When will that be forthcoming?
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As expected, Blewdog heaps on a big dose of history revisionism as he attempts to describe 'Amendment One'. I would expect nothing less.

Uncharacteristic of Riley, who was known as a tax cutter and reformer as a U.S. Congressman, where he joined efforts to eliminate the marriage tax penalty and to abolish the estate tax, Gov. Riley, just weeks into his first term, tried to shove his plan, Amendment One, down the throats of citizens of the state. His plan consisted of changes to the state's tax system. The plan essentially consisted of income tax breaks for lower brackets, offset by various tax hikes on consumption, property and income from higher brackets. The amendment was overwhelmingly defeated (68%), by voters and groups who had just previously backed Riley in his bid for Governor. Many saw the proposal as a slap in the face, and ploy to give the Alabama Legislature increased opportunities to waste more of the public's money. Also, distasteful was the manner in which the amendment was portrayed. Riley cited how many teachers and state troopers, etc, would be laid off as part of the doomsday scenario that would happen if the proposal failed. (Reminds me alot of the garbage that was spewed in Cal-lee-phone-ee-ah in the last few weeks by the Schwartzenegger administration and the Dems, before the voters rejected 5 of the 6 propositions).

Riley did manage to pass the decision to require annual, rather than quadrennial, reassessment of property, as had been done for decades.

Many voters simply didn't buy the "sky is falling" scare tactics and saw more AEA waste in the cards, and were stunned by Riley's 180 degree turn, and the strange bedfellows that backed the Riley proposal.
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Originally posted by interventor1:
The republican 11th commandment is "no republican shall speak ill of another republican." The christian 11th commandment is the golden rule -- "love thy neighbor as thy self." With, the understanding that the good Samaritan was an example of a true neighbor.

I'm still awaiting your declaration that Obama must resign the presidency because of his book deal, as Newt Gingrich resigned as Speaker. When will that be forthcoming?


Sorry guy, I was raised in the Baptist Church;
The 11th Commandment is "thou shall not drink (alcohol)"
The 12th is "thou shall not dance"
The 13th is "thou shall not gamble"

The rise of Calvinism in recent years contributes to the greed mentioned in Christian ethics.
Great article that strikes at the heart of what this phony society actually worships, "Greed." Corporate Democrat and Republican, Christian or not.

Christians worship Greed because they are taught, like everyone in this society, that Greed is Good and Capitalism is, "Freedom, Natural and God's Will." They have made it an attribute but it is an illness. Like a cancer that has eaten out the core. The idea is sold to us by the very people who have gained in a system that rewards greed with power. The ruthless and greedy prosper at the expense of the average people. It's a line they sold us.
Pogo,

Once again you rail against the capitalist system. You old god, father Marx, died and took 150 million souls with him, leaving wrecked nations, destroyed enviroments, and mega-graveyards in its wake.

The EU is a joke. It economy was stalled before the recession. Their economy is predicated on preserving really old wealth. EU voters have no say in the workings of a premanent bureaucracy. The EU parliament may not over ride their decisions.

As for medical care, ask 15,000 old folks who died in a simple heat wave.
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Originally posted by Pogo142:
Great article that strikes at the heart of what this phony society actually worships, "Greed." Corporate Democrat and Republican, Christian or not.

Christians worship Greed because they are taught, like everyone in this society, that Greed is Good and Capitalism is, "Freedom, Natural and God's Will." They have made it an attribute but it is an illness. Like a cancer that has eaten out the core. The idea is sold to us by the very people who have gained in a system that rewards greed with power. The ruthless and greedy prosper at the expense of the average people. It's a line they sold us.


Idiot.
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One might ask why the Democrats worship an filthy atheist responsible for the deaths of 150 million -- Karl marx


One might also ask what disposes such deranged ideologues as YOU to post such bilge as you just barfed up.

To contend that Democrats worship Karl Marx is bilious nonsense. You and others who see a socialist behind every bush have no real concept of what Marxist socialism really stands for.
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Originally posted by interventor1:
One might ask why the Democrats worship an filthy atheist responsible for the deaths of 150 million -- Karl marx


One might also ask what disposes such deranged ideologues as YOU to post such bilge as you just barfed up.

To contend that Democrats worship Karl Marx is bilious nonsense. You and others who see a socialist behind every bush have no real concept of what Marxist socialism really stands for.


Let's try Stalin, Obama is more in his making.

Have you seen all the new controls Obama wants over companies?

From controlling executive pay to what they can produce, he's setting us up for a financial disaster similar to the Great Depression.

Socialized Democracy is the new Democratic Party mantra.
It's the usual nonsense we get from the Right Wing beternU, name calling and nonsense. We can always count on them not to answer the question and to say something stupid to try to distract from the subject.

Capitalism and Greed are worshipped in this society and taught to us through our culture as Natural and "Blessed By God."

Prosperity came through greed.

We are already on our way to the next "Great Depression Chow. But Obama needs to stop bailing out the Banks and Corporate CEO's and work to help the Middle Class
bettern nuttin,

I've actually read Marx's Capital and many other associated works of his and Engles, inclding the one that was banned in the USSR.. I visited the Iron Curtain nations before the fall. Therefore, do not tell me what I know of socialism in all its infamous forms.

Plus, you cut and pasted my post in such a fashion to leave out much of the rest of my statement. I'll leave it to those more honest and intelligent than yourself to simply read the original.
Pogo,

Your statement that properity was the product of greed is hilarious. Do you sincerely believe that nonsense?

Prosperity is the product of hard work in an free environment. My travels throught the third world revealed many greedy people, but few prospertous societies. A free society is required for true prosperity. At this point, Obama is ensuring a collapsed economy, not an end to the recession.
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It's the usual nonsense we get from the Right Wing beternU, name calling and nonsense. We can always count on them not to answer the question and to say something stupid to try to distract from the subject.

Capitalism and Greed are worshipped in this society and taught to us through our culture as Natural and "Blessed By God."

Prosperity came through greed.

We are already on our way to the next "Great Depression Chow. But Obama needs to stop bailing out the Banks and Corporate CEO's and work to help the Middle Class


Yep, he's helping all right, cap in trade, CAFEE standards, CC reform.

Lets see, my utility bill will increase $1300 a year.

A new vehicle will cost another $3000-5000

And recently credit card rates have dramatically increased on card holders with good credit and paying over minimum and on time.

Obama saved me how much?

and I'm very middle class

Pogo you don't even hide you love of Socialism, please move to Europe and take bitternut with you and the 2 of you can be happy, that'll help balance the migration of Europeans to this Country.
I agree with your post beternu and those who claim to be "experts" on Communism and know of only Stalin show their ignorance and narrow mindedness. Typical of the Right Wing Dead Enders.

The US history is one of conquest, slavery and exploitation. The Rights the American people enjoy, but are losing, came from their own struggles for better conditions.

Freedom, Democracy and Capitalism are not the same thing, as the Government and the Corporate Media would have us believe.

We are in what they call "the Great Recession" now, Chow, but to many it's a depression. Obama needs to take more drastic actions along the lines of FDR's New Deal and give the American People a New Deal away from Corporate Socialism and Dominance.

Yes, I support Socialism in America. It would give the American people a better life.
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Originally posted by interventor1:
bettern nuttin,

I've actually read Marx's Capital and many other associated works of his and Engles, inclding the one that was banned in the USSR.. I visited the Iron Curtain nations before the fall. Therefore, do not tell me what I know of socialism in all its infamous forms.

Plus, you cut and pasted my post in such a fashion to leave out much of the rest of my statement. I'll leave it to those more honest and intelligent than yourself to simply read the original.


DEAD WRONG. I posted the ENTIRETY of the post to which I responded. Are you so busy posting multiple entries that you can't keep up with your own stuff?

And by the way, that book by Marx is Das Kapital, not "Capital" as you listed it. And his colleague was Engels, not "Engles." You do NOT come across as much of a scholar on socialism, interventor!

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Originally posted by Pogo142:
I agree with your post beternu and those who claim to be "experts" on Communism and know of only Stalin show their ignorance and narrow mindedness. Typical of the Right Wing Dead Enders.

The US history is one of conquest, slavery and exploitation. The Rights the American people enjoy, but are losing, came from their own struggles for better conditions.

Freedom, Democracy and Capitalism are not the same thing, as the Government and the Corporate Media would have us believe.

We are in what they call "the Great Recession" now, Chow, but to many it's a depression. Obama needs to take more drastic actions along the lines of FDR's New Deal and give the American People a New Deal away from Corporate Socialism and Dominance.

Yes, I support Socialism in America. It would give the American people a better life.


You need to check out S&P downgrading Britain yesterday, how long until they downgrade America?

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Stuart Cheek, head of UK Government bonds at BGC Partners, said "it's big news," he said. He added that "it should be noted that this is the same rating agency that rated leveraged sub-prime as AAA."
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Pogo,

“agree with your post beternu and those who claim to be "experts" on Communism and know of only Stalin show their ignorance and narrow mindedness. Typical of the Right Wing Dead Enders.

The US history is one of conquest, slavery and exploitation. The Rights the American people enjoy, but are losing, came from their own struggles for better conditions.

Freedom, Democracy and Capitalism are not the same thing, as the Government and the Corporate Media would have us believe.

We are in what they call "the Great Recession" now, Chow, but to many it's a depression. Obama needs to take more drastic actions along the lines of FDR's New Deal and give the American People a New Deal away from Corporate Socialism and Dominance.

Yes, I support Socialism in America. It would give the American people a better life.”

Besides, Stalin, are you referring to Lenin and his purges? Or Khrushchev, and his brutal expansion of the gulags? Or, the line of animated corpses the politburo paraded out in the final years of the USSR? Or, Mao, and the 10s of millions he slaughtered, not to mention the hundreds of twelve-year old, or younger, girls he molested? Or, Pol Pot! Or, the two Kims? Were you one of those who clucked and cooed over every new style leader in the Iron Curtain who surfaced, flourished briefly as western leftists swooned over them, then sunk again. Those were even more embarrassing than the present Obamania.

We’ve been over the whole conquest, slavery and exploitation theme many times. When confronted with facts, you cite a few anecdotes. When lack of logic or proof is presented, you screech and imitate your namesake—play opossum.
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Originally posted by FirenzeVeritas:


the poor often "tax" themselves with their drinking, gambling, etc.


Only rich people should drink and gamble


Percentage wise, the lower socio-cognitive strata seek quick riches and easy highs. You don't find too many meth labs run by those with college degrees or who live in Turtle Point Village.
Socialism would only work in America if the socialists were to pull the same trick they did in the USSR..."liquidating" or sending to gulags the free thinkers that would cause people to wonder why the government takes more and more and the people get less and less.

Historically, the only way a socialist government can continue to pay its way is through conquest.

How many Americans are you two willing to stand up against a wall to bring socialism to America? A million? Ten million? A hundred million?
Besides, Stalin, are you referring to Lenin and his purges? Or Khrushchev, and his brutal expansion of the gulags? Or, the line of animated corpses the politburo paraded out in the final years of the USSR? Or, Mao, and the 10s of millions he slaughtered, not to mention the hundreds of twelve-year old, or younger, girls he molested? Or, Pol Pot! Or, the two Kims? Were you one of those who clucked and cooed over every new style leader in the Iron Curtain who surfaced, flourished briefly as western leftists swooned over them, then sunk again. Those were even more embarrassing than the present Obamania.

We’ve been over the whole conquest, slavery and exploitation theme many times. When confronted with facts, you cite a few anecdotes. When lack of logic or proof is presented, you screech and imitate your namesake—play opossum.


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Communism has nothing to do with repression and as Allende in Chile and the Sandinista's in Nicaragua showed. They had free elections and press. The US immediately declared them enemies. The US also overthrew a number of freely elected people that even spoke about a fair economy for all it's citizens.

We are heavily propagandized in this country to support Capitalism but the American peoples standard of living only improved through the New Deal and it's after effects. We enjoyed the highest standard of living with unions to protect our wages and benifets as well as a safety nets. It was undone by the Reagan Revolution and we see it's effects today. The average person in countries that have socialism has a better quality of life and in somewhat longer.

The US history is one of expansionism, like "Manifest Destiny" as well as slavery and exploitation. The Empire continues today in Iraq and the region.

The American people made a better life for themselves through labor and social struggle.

Socialism will work in America when the American people learn the true values and benefits of the system.

The majority already favor a Public Health System like they have in the rest of the Industrialized World. The US ranks 38Th or so behind them.
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Originally posted by Nobluedog:
Why Do Christians Worship Greed?

Recall how Alabama's Republican governor, Bob Riley, a conservative Christian citing gospel principles, tried to bring some tax fairness to his state in 2003. Riley got smacked down hard by the Christian Coalition, which by that time had adopted "thou shalt not tax the rich" as its 11th Commandment.
Even as corporate villains taste a tiny bit of populist pushback today, it still remains the case that the free markets/deregulation/low taxation creed enjoys a sanctified status among millions of America's twice-born. Jews and Roman Catholics still show some degree of theological/ethical resistance to market fundamentalism, whereas mainline Protestants are almost as split on economics as they are on LGBT justice claims. (One of the ongoing tragicomedies of the mainline world is what often happens to new ministers fresh out of seminary who think it's safe to question Chamber of Commerce verities out there in Ponca City.)


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You start your diatribe with an absurdity. I have gone to a Baptist church all my life and I have never heard greed praised or set up as an object of worship.

Capitalism like all systems set up by humans is imperfect. However looking at the American experience of free markets versus the general experience of command economies I wouldn't be so quick to discard free markets.
Your Posts are typical of the bankrupted Right Wing. We can always count on you to say something stupid. And you wonder why America has had enough of you?

Capitalism produces rich bankers, but socialism produces happiness | DelawareOnline.com | The News Journal

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Capitalism produces rich bankers, but socialism produces happiness
COMMUNITY VIEW • By PHILLIP BANNOWSKY • May 24, 2009


Socialism is better than capitalism. So say 20 percent of Americans, and another 27 percent say they can't say which is better, according to an April 9 Rasmussen poll.



There's hope.

When you consider that virtually no newspaper, broadcaster, well-funded think tank, teacher, or anybody's boss or commander ever said something nice about socialism, it's remarkable that only 53 percent of us still favor rule by the moneyed class. Perhaps folks are learning how capitalism sacrifices happiness for individual gain.

As Billy Bragg exhorts us in his update of the socialist anthem "The Internationale": "Stand up, all victims of oppression/for tyrants fear your might/Don't cling so hard to your possessions/For you have nothing if you have no rights."

No less a "capitalist tool" than Forbes Magazine let a red cat out of the bag with a report this month that the happiest countries tend to be Scandinavian socialist democracies. High per-capita GDP certainly plays a role in their felicity, but even social democratic New Zealand, with per-capita GDP only 64 percent of the United States', ranks with the 10 democracies above us in the happiness index. They pay high taxes in these pinkotopias, but folks enjoy entitlements like free college, extensive elder care, and 52-week paid maternity leave.

The 2005 poll measured personal reports of enjoyment, pride in achievement and learning, being respected, among other things. Forbes suggests that such happiness derives from family, social and community networks, and a decent work-life balance, noting that the average workweek in Scandinavia is 37 hours.

Nice dream, but how do we get there? Most of these countries dumped capitalist exploitation long ago and instituted mixed economies with socialist ideals. More contemporary models are the 11 Latin America countries pursuing "Socialism in the 21st Century." They too reject top-down Leninism for a system based on participatory democracy and solidarity.

In Ecuador, a land I have studied and worked in, a broad coalition of indigenous, environmentalists, trade unions, professional organizations, feminists, gay activists, left parties, and students laid the groundwork for transformation. They just re-elected Rafael Correa, their leftist standard-bearer, as president. They fought racism, oligarchs, oil companies, and corrupt politicians for decades.



The economies of Latin America's red eleven are improving, although none of them has instituted a socialist utopia. They are still subject to the slings and arrows of egotism, error, and internecine conflict. But they have overcome the greatest impediments to their advancement, including the U.S.-based bankers who are draining our treasury now. And the civil society they created in the struggle is the guarantor of their democracy.



Before finding the path of progress, many of these countries had lurched from violent paroxysm to confusion and resignation, not unlike what the U.S. currently endures.

For example, our Auto Industry Task Force just bankrupted GM and Chrysler, fired tens of thousands of employees, extorted immense sacrifices from active and retired autoworkers, and is dominated by the investment bankers who absorbed trillions in national wealth to keep themselves rich after destroying the economy.

Instead of seizing plants as our Canadian comrades are doing, or adding "bossnapping" to plant occupations as the French have done, we shake our heads as the union negotiates the terms of surrender.

What could we do with socialism? Well, take banks for starters: take them, so instead of private scams that go broke gambling with money they don't own, they'd become public utilities that finance production, infrastructure, and homes. And treat aging industries like autos: instead of dumping, we'd transform them according to a national plan for green jobs and a healthy environment.

Solidarity is the path as well as the destination of socialism. Solidarity grieves when a worker loses his job or sees her pension slashed. Solidarity cheers when a union wins middle-class pay. Solidarity rejects the greed of insurers as the distributor of healthcare and demands single payer for all.

Solidarity smells the rat who divides white from black, black from gay, native from newcomer, or America from the rest of humanity.

"So come brothers and sisters/For the struggle carries on/The Internationale/Unites the world in Song.

"So comrades come rally/For this is the time and place/The international ideal/Unites the human race."



Phillip Bannowsky is a member of The News Journal Community Advisory Board and is a retired autoworker. His novel, "The Mother Earth Inn," recounts the early stirrings of Ecuador's current transformation.
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Originally posted by Pogo142:
Your Posts are typical of the bankrupted Right Wing. We can always count on you to say something stupid. And you wonder why America has had enough of you?

Capitalism produces rich bankers, but socialism produces happiness | DelawareOnline.com | The News Journal

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Capitalism produces rich bankers, but socialism produces happiness
COMMUNITY VIEW • By PHILLIP BANNOWSKY • May 24, 2009


Socialism is better than capitalism. So say 20 percent of Americans, and another 27 percent say they can't say which is better, according to an April 9 Rasmussen poll.



There's hope.

When you consider that virtually no newspaper, broadcaster, well-funded think tank, teacher, or anybody's boss or commander ever said something nice about socialism, it's remarkable that only 53 percent of us still favor rule by the moneyed class. Perhaps folks are learning how capitalism sacrifices happiness for individual gain.

As Billy Bragg exhorts us in his update of the socialist anthem "The Internationale": "Stand up, all victims of oppression/for tyrants fear your might/Don't cling so hard to your possessions/For you have nothing if you have no rights."

No less a "capitalist tool" than Forbes Magazine let a red cat out of the bag with a report this month that the happiest countries tend to be Scandinavian socialist democracies. High per-capita GDP certainly plays a role in their felicity, but even social democratic New Zealand, with per-capita GDP only 64 percent of the United States', ranks with the 10 democracies above us in the happiness index. They pay high taxes in these pinkotopias, but folks enjoy entitlements like free college, extensive elder care, and 52-week paid maternity leave.

The 2005 poll measured personal reports of enjoyment, pride in achievement and learning, being respected, among other things. Forbes suggests that such happiness derives from family, social and community networks, and a decent work-life balance, noting that the average workweek in Scandinavia is 37 hours.

Nice dream, but how do we get there? Most of these countries dumped capitalist exploitation long ago and instituted mixed economies with socialist ideals. More contemporary models are the 11 Latin America countries pursuing "Socialism in the 21st Century." They too reject top-down Leninism for a system based on participatory democracy and solidarity.

In Ecuador, a land I have studied and worked in, a broad coalition of indigenous, environmentalists, trade unions, professional organizations, feminists, gay activists, left parties, and students laid the groundwork for transformation. They just re-elected Rafael Correa, their leftist standard-bearer, as president. They fought racism, oligarchs, oil companies, and corrupt politicians for decades.



The economies of Latin America's red eleven are improving, although none of them has instituted a socialist utopia. They are still subject to the slings and arrows of egotism, error, and internecine conflict. But they have overcome the greatest impediments to their advancement, including the U.S.-based bankers who are draining our treasury now. And the civil society they created in the struggle is the guarantor of their democracy.



Before finding the path of progress, many of these countries had lurched from violent paroxysm to confusion and resignation, not unlike what the U.S. currently endures.

For example, our Auto Industry Task Force just bankrupted GM and Chrysler, fired tens of thousands of employees, extorted immense sacrifices from active and retired autoworkers, and is dominated by the investment bankers who absorbed trillions in national wealth to keep themselves rich after destroying the economy.

Instead of seizing plants as our Canadian comrades are doing, or adding "bossnapping" to plant occupations as the French have done, we shake our heads as the union negotiates the terms of surrender.

What could we do with socialism? Well, take banks for starters: take them, so instead of private scams that go broke gambling with money they don't own, they'd become public utilities that finance production, infrastructure, and homes. And treat aging industries like autos: instead of dumping, we'd transform them according to a national plan for green jobs and a healthy environment.

Solidarity is the path as well as the destination of socialism. Solidarity grieves when a worker loses his job or sees her pension slashed. Solidarity cheers when a union wins middle-class pay. Solidarity rejects the greed of insurers as the distributor of healthcare and demands single payer for all.

Solidarity smells the rat who divides white from black, black from gay, native from newcomer, or America from the rest of humanity.

"So come brothers and sisters/For the struggle carries on/The Internationale/Unites the world in Song.

"So comrades come rally/For this is the time and place/The international ideal/Unites the human race."



Phillip Bannowsky is a member of The News Journal Community Advisory Board and is a retired autoworker. His novel, "The Mother Earth Inn," recounts the early stirrings of Ecuador's current transformation.


I don't even bother to read your misguided posts. I know they are ALWAYS going to be a warmed over turd from the '60s radical handbook. You are probably to young to have joined your filthy stinking anti-American role models so you just use their hand-me-down notes.
Pogo,
“Communism has nothing to do with repression and as Allende in Chile and the Sandinista's in Nicaragua showed. They had free elections and press. The US immediately declared them enemies. The US also overthrew a number of freely elected people that even spoke about a fair economy for all it's citizens.”
You are a prime example of the true believer, who denies all evidence to the contrary. Communism enslaved nearly half the landmass of the world for three generations – leaving behind failed economies, mass graves and wrecked environments. Chile never experienced communism. As a capitalist nation, its one of the few Latin American success stories. Allende was killed by his Cuban bodyguard when he tried to surrender. I’ve shown you the evidence including confessions about four times. The Sandinistas did little to improve the lives of Nicaraguans. Even their literacy program was shown to be a farce.

“We are heavily propagandized in this country to support Capitalism but the American peoples standard of living only improved through the New Deal and it's after effects. We enjoyed the highest standard of living with unions to protect our wages and benifets as well as a safety nets. It was undone by the Reagan Revolution and we see it's effects today. The average person in countries that have socialism has a better quality of life and in somewhat longer.”
The New Deal did nothing to end the Depression. Again, I’ve posted FDR’s Secretary of the Treasury’s statement to Congress that massive spending did nothing to help about four times.

“The US history is one of expansionism, like "Manifest Destiny" as well as slavery and exploitation. The Empire continues today in Iraq and the region.”
If exploitation increased wealth Mexico, Cuba and Brazil would be three of the richest nations on Earth. If slavery increased a nation’s wealth, Brazil, Cuba, Haiti and other the old Guineas would be wealthy. US/UK slave trade to the 13 colonies/US accounted for about 5.5 percent of the trade. Slaves only work enough to escape punishment and you have to take care of them 24/7/365.

“The American people made a better life for themselves through labor and social struggle.”
Like Brazil and Argentina?

“Socialism will work in America when the American people learn the true values and benefits of the system.”
Socialism will work – this time. Expecting a different results after repeating the same action is one definition of insanity.

“The majority already favor a Public Health System like they have in the rest of the Industrialized World. The US ranks 38Th or so behind them.”
Please post proof!
“No less a "capitalist tool" than Forbes Magazine let a red cat out of the bag with a report this month that the happiest countries tend to be Scandinavian socialist democracies. High per-capita GDP certainly plays a role in their felicity,…”

Norway’s GDP’s depend heavily on oil exports. When, their portion of the North Sea fields peter out, they must relearn a four letter word called WORK!

If the Scandinavians are so happy, why are their suicide rates a bit higher than the US’s?

Nation**Year*Men**Women
Sweden* 1996* 20.0* 8.5
Norway* 1995* 19.1* 6.2
USA*** 1996* 19.3* 4.4

If you’ve visited these nations, as I have, I’m certain you were surprised at the blatant alcoholism.

As to the Happiness Index, supposedly, Mexico and Columbia are the two happiest larger nations. Do you truly believe that? And, if so, how come so many happy Mexicans are dying to come to the US.

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Pogo,

That prosperity that came through greed has helped countless people across the world.

Huge benefit concerts to help people in Africa, mission trips to help small villages build schools and wells, the constant flood of supplies to any country hit with a natural disaster. Not to mention saving France's butt from the Germans, twice. None of that would be possible if we couldn't afford it.

The reason we can afford it is because capitalism allows people the freedom to earn a living and keep what they earn.

As for the title of this thread, it was written by someone who has no concept of Christianity. Christianity teaches that it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter Heaven. It teaches us that serving the less fortunate is also serving God.

Incredibly dumb article.
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Capitalism produces rich bankers, but socialism produces happiness


Not hardly. Capitalism allows someone with nothing but a good work ethic to achieve anything he wants. Capitalism makes a small business possible and gives it the freedom to become a large successful business. Capitalism is freedom.

Socialism produces corrupt governments, wasteful spending, heavy tax burdens on the citizens, and restricts freedom. I don't see how anyone would be happy with that.

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Capitalism produces rich bankers, but socialism produces happiness


Not hardly. Capitalism allows someone with nothing but a good work ethic to achieve anything he wants. Capitalism makes a small business possible and gives it the freedom to become a large successful business. Capitalism is freedom.

Socialism produces corrupt governments, wasteful spending, heavy tax burdens on the citizens, and restricts freedom. I don't see how anyone would be happy with that.

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Good point Nash, Reading some of the post here makes you wonder what's happened to our Educational system, in America that Socialism and potentially communism would be desired over Capitalism. I guess Civics also is a casualty of a modern day educational system. I wonder if we are giving more book space to Karl Marx than we do to Jefferson, Franklin, and Lincoln?

In Capitalism most everyone that ventures to, and wants to succeed, can succeed by their own efforts while few suffer whereas with Communism the majority suffer while very few succeed, usually by brute force and a strong military.
If I take Pogo's statements to their logical conclusion, I reach the conclusion that he did not wish the US to be strong enough to defeat the Germans and Japanese in WWII. Results would have been conquest of Europe, USSR as a rump Asian state engaged in low level warfare to strengthen the Germanic race, Chinese and Koreans as coolie labor for the Japanese, and blacks subjegated by the Italians.

Is Pogo a crypto National Socialist who hates blacks, orientals, jews and slavs? I must conclude he is!

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