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Curious.
Question for the masses-
Why do you post here? What is your motivation for coming back?

I posted originally to see what the "beef" with the Catholic Church is. I sensed an anti-Catholic sentiment, and wanted to know what that was based on.
I now frequent the forum to refute lies and myths that are perpetuated against the Church, and to defend the Apostolic Church.

I have also enjoyed some fellowship, and made several peeps that I proudly call my friends.

Just wondering- what keeps yall here?
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I enjoy the interaction with others. Some of what I read makes me laugh, some makes me want to pull my hair out. Big Grin
I've had my feelings hurt & said I would never come back but I've gotten better at not letting that happen.
You never know what you'll come across on here but I've learned alot here too.

I feel like I've made some friends here thru getting to know them in PM's.
I count you as one of those friends & I'm happy to have "met" you. I don't care what religion someone is, if any.
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Originally posted by vplee123:
Curious.
Question for the masses - Why do you post here? What is your motivation for coming back?

I posted originally to see what the "beef" with the Catholic Church is. I sensed an anti-Catholic sentiment, and wanted to know what that was based on.

I now frequent the forum to refute lies and myths that are perpetuated against the Church, and to defend the Apostolic Church.

I have also enjoyed some fellowship, and made several peeps that I proudly call my friends.

Just wondering- what keeps yall here?

Hi VP,

Before you came on the Religion Forum there may have been a couple of comments about the Roman Catholic church -- but, I do not remember any protracted discussions regarding catholicism until you began posting.

When you began posting Vatican based doctrines; I had to refute those teachings. I am not knocking any Roman Catholic and not saying that any Roman Catholic is not a Christian believer.

But, when you post a teaching which I know is not Biblical -- and try to tell us it is Biblical; I will disagree -- but, I will disagree by giving you Biblical references to support what I have written.

I am always open to reading any Scriptural support you have for your beliefs -- and happy to discuss them with you.

This is not a form of hatred for you nor for Roman Catholicism. Instead, it is a form of love for Biblical truth.

I am sorry it offends you; but, when you post teachings which are not Biblical and declare them to be Biblical -- that offends me.

If we can keep our dialogues within Scripture; I believe we can find common ground.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Bill is correct, VP. Before you came along, there wasn't much discussion about Catholicism. Bill gave any Catholic that posted his take on their beliefs, at which point they concluded that he is bat spit crazy, and left. A totally reasonable approach to wackobabble.

So I ask you, why do you not save yourself the torment and frustration of trying to reason against the ravings of a half Calvin/half Arminian blow-hard, whose hubris, arrogance, and narcissism borders on serious psychosis?
v, the study in human behavior intrigues me.

There is a spectrum of personalities here that is a treasure trove.

I also am for the under dog in most cases.

A side note,

Until you came along , no one stood up for the Catholic assemblage.

I cannot say enough about the feelings I have for my close Catholic friends.

I cannot call names on here if I did you would know them.
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So I ask you, why do you not save yourself the torment and frustration of trying to reason against the ravings


Good question, Crusty.
I have, twice now, hung it up and said "forget it".
But you know? As much passion as BG feels against catholicism, I have twice as much conviction FOR the Church. I feel a need to defend the Church against myths and mistruths.
It hurts me deeply to see the Catholic church painted in a non-biblical light, and the misconceptions stated as truths.
/shrug/ I may get tired of it soon...
You're right- there was no "catholic" talk before I started posting. So if awareness of the truths have been raised, I am content.
Buffalo, you are probably right- it is a small community here in the Shoals, so we kinda all know eachother . Wink
This is probably the only place in the world where catholicism is a minority- its weird. lol.
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Bill purposely says things that are not true about Catholics, so I do NOT beleive he is trying to have a Biblical discussion on this forum. You can't have an intelligent or open minded discussion with a LIAR.


You are right, David.
You can't discuss with him because he keeps perpetuating the same lies over and over. Even when presented with Scripture, he covers his ears. It's a futile effort.
All we can do is call him on it, provide the CORRECT information, and hope that most other readers will see that he is not the spokesperson for Catholic Doctrine. lol.
Anyone that can say they sat in a catholic church for 20 years and never heard the Gospel is clearly "off" kilter in some way.

Jank- I'm glad you're here! Smiler You rock. Isn't it awesome that we can disagree politely, and have normal conversations without thinking the other is "wrong"/!??!
THAT is what we're here for.
I post when I feel the need. Not to bash Bill.

I read to learn what others believe and why.

I wish all believed as I but that is never going to happen, so it is not necessary to try to convince anyone of any thing. One can, at times point out certain things they thing are wrong, and back it up with the Holy Word.
Veep,

I post here because religion is a poison in society, and especially in the South.

As a species, we've surpassed the facile answers religion offers as explanations of reality. The only issues where religion is not demonstrably wrong are the deep scientific issues of cosmology, physics, and biology, to name a few, of which we remain ignorant.

At that point of our ignorance, the religious define god as the answer to those unknown points. This is dangerous to religion, because as we find out more and more about the real universe, God has less and less to do.

I post here because this God of the Gaps is in no way a sufficient reason for people of faith to tell me how to live. There is no connection between the God who mysteriously created the Big Bang (if you so believe) and the God who says it's sinful to sell liquor in excess of the 49/51 regulation. The extrapolation is absurd.

It's past time we gave Christianity any respect. It's obviously way past time regarding Judaism and Islam, as well.

100 year ago, Robert G. Ingersoll destroyed Christian philosophy. He is due for a renewal.

Allow me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zv-Uh5AHcOY

That's an easy way to introduce one's self to this great mind.

Notice the bronze statue. Notice that he's remembered now.

He had so much right, but his knowledge is dated, and he had a few things wrong. Such as his belief that the Jews were in captivity in Egypt. They never were, of course.

Enjoy. Let me know what you think of Ingersoll.


And send a dollar to NSNS.


nsns
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Originally posted by CrustyMac:
Bill gave any Catholic that posted his take on their beliefs, at which point they concluded that he is bat spit crazy, and left. A totally reasonable approach to wackobabble.


bat spit......wackobabble..... Big Grin


Borrowed from more clever people than I.
Vplee,

I know this observation will cause ill feelings toward me but I have to ask:

Are you really a Catholic?

I see a difference in how you treat people on here.

For instance:

You seem to see Bro. Bill, a Christian, as the enemy of your faith.

On the other hand those who blaspheme the name of God and Jesus and make fun of your religion you consider as your friends and join in with them in their disdain for Bro. Bill. What gives?

This does not make sense to me can you explain this logic.

It is not beyond this lying atheist and its reserve to enlist moles to further it’s agenda.
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Vplee,

I know this observation will cause ill feelings toward me but I have to ask:
Are you really a Catholic?
I see a difference in how you treat people on here.
For instance:
You seem to see Bro. Bill, a Christian, as the enemy of your faith.
On the other hand those who blaspheme the name of God and Jesus and make fun of your religion you consider as your friends and join in with them in their disdain for Bro. Bill. What gives?


I have to ask, buffalo…..are you really a Christian? If you are, it doesn’t show in how you treat people here.

Bill Gray treats many people here as enemies if they don’t agree with him or has a different belief than he does.
I would like to know who has made fun of V’s religion & ran with it other than BG?
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Originally posted by buffalo:
Vplee,

I know this observation will cause ill feelings toward me but I have to ask:
Are you really a Catholic?
I see a difference in how you treat people on here.
For instance:
You seem to see Bro. Bill, a Christian, as the enemy of your faith.
On the other hand those who blaspheme the name of God and Jesus and make fun of your religion you consider as your friends and join in with them in their disdain for Bro. Bill. What gives?


I have to ask, buffalo…..are you really a Christian? If you are, it doesn’t show in how you treat people here.

Bill Gray treats many people here as enemies if they don’t agree with him or has a different belief than he does.
I would like to know who has made fun of V’s religion & ran with it other than BG?


Semi dear,

I herby command you to stop your infernal moaning about what Bro. Bill says.

You are getting on my nerve.

Bill for god sake give her the sign that she is ok.

Have mercy on the rest of us.

semi dear if i may be so bold; how old are you?

and yes I'm a Christian.OK?
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Originally posted by buffalo:
Semi dear,

I herby command you to stop your infernal moaning about what Bro. Bill says.

You are getting on my nerve.

Bill for god sake give her the sign that she is ok.

Have mercy on the rest of us.



You only have one nerve? Are you a mutant? Wink


B50M, It's a big one. Eeker
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Are you really a Catholic?

I see a difference in how you treat people on here.

For instance:

You seem to see Bro. Bill, a Christian, as the enemy of your faith.



Ah, yes.
The key difference here, is that the "atheists" are truthful, in so far as I have seen. At least in my dealings with them. I have yet to be manipulated or have words put in my mouth, or lies perpetuated about my Faith by anyone except "BG".
I can respectfully disagree and have civil dialogue.
However when one is lying and manipulating, that is a different story.
I respect all people's rights to believe as they so choose.
But no, I cannot tolerate lies- so that is why BG does not have my respect.
Now. Am I truly a Catholic? Yes. With every breath I take.
Do I get upset when an atheist says God is a fairy tale? A little, of course, but just because I feel PERSONALLY that joy and happiness comes from my relationship with Jesus, and wish that joy upon everyone.
But, I have to respect their opinions, right!?
Faith comes from within. You can force it on anyone.
And I will continue to refute all mistruths about Catholicism as they arise.
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Originally posted by vplee123:
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Are you really a Catholic?

I see a difference in how you treat people on here.

For instance:

You seem to see Bro. Bill, a Christian, as the enemy of your faith.



Ah, yes.
The key difference here, is that the "atheists" are truthful, in so far as I have seen. At least in my dealings with them. I have yet to be manipulated or have words put in my mouth, or lies perpetuated about my Faith by anyone except "BG".
I can respectfully disagree and have civil dialogue.
However when one is lying and manipulating, that is a different story.
I respect all people's rights to believe as they so choose.
But no, I cannot tolerate lies- so that is why BG does not have my respect.
Now. Am I truly a Catholic? Yes. With every breath I take.
Do I get upset when an atheist says God is a fairy tale? A little, of course, but just because I feel PERSONALLY that joy and happiness comes from my relationship with Jesus, and wish that joy upon everyone.
But, I have to respect their opinions, right!?
Faith comes from within. You can force it on anyone.
And I will continue to refute all mistruths about Catholicism as they arise.


Yes veplee but you are not consistent.

You allow the atheist to blaspheme God and you reward them and because Bro. Bill points out things in your faith with which he is not in agreement you cast him aside.

Do you believe anyone that is not of the catholic faith as is Bill are hell bound along with the atheist.

If you believe the atheist are not hell bound , what is your beef with Bill.

Your position as it appears to me is cork screw reasoning. Or you are practicing the art of hypocrisy .

Pretentious at least.

Again if your religion does not allow for everyone else going to hell the only conclusion is that religion is BS.
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So you award them a truth badge as to their not saying there is a god. How novel.


yep.
i cannot prove unequivocably to someone else that God exists. Can't be done.
So, yes, they are honest in their position.
What can I say? It seems quite clear.
But you have called me a pretentious hypocrite, ram, so show me.
How does believing everyone is entitled to their opinions make me a hypocrite?
As for Bill Gray, he does not state matters of opinion- he takes a Church, of which he understands very little, and continues to post the same lies as though they were fact.

So, I can respect opinions and differing viewpoints, but I can't respect lies.
If that makes me a hypocritical pretentious person, I'll wear that hat with a smile.
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So you award them a truth badge as to their not saying there is a god. How novel.


yep.
i cannot prove unequivocably to someone else that God exists. Can't be done.
So, yes, they are honest in their position.
What can I say? It seems quite clear.
But you have called me a pretentious hypocrite, ram, so show me.
How does believing everyone is entitled to their opinions make me a hypocrite?
As for Bill Gray, he does not state matters of opinion- he takes a Church, of which he understands very little, and continues to post the same lies as though they were fact.

So, I can respect opinions and differing viewpoints, but I can't respect lies.
If that makes me a hypocritical pretentious person, I'll wear that hat with a smile.


Vplee, you cannot prove unequivocally your belief to anyone else so what’s the beef with Bill.

Don’t say you can prove it by the Bible.
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So, I can respect opinions and differing viewpoints, but I can't respect lies. If that makes me a hypocritical pretentious person, I'll wear that hat with a smile.

Hi VP,

The problem is that by respecting and accepting the non-believer's belief that there is no God -- or, at least no salvation; that is encouraging them to continue in their non-belief. Jesus did not tell us to accept the world's view -- but, to GO, Disciple Them (the non-believers), Teach Them (the Word of God), and, when possible, Baptize Them (Matthew 28:19-20).

Then, He told us to be His witnesses in all the world (Acts 1:8, Mark 16:15). That witness is not to just accept the non-believers' world view and wish him/her a good day. That witness is not to just accept the non-believers' world view and buy them lunch or clothes or a house, etc.

No, His whole message to all Christian believers is that we are to be His witnesses to all the world -- by taking His Gospel, His Written Word of God -- to all the non-believers and unchurched people in our Jerusalem (our families, our communities, our Religion Forums), in our Judea (our cities, our states), in our Samaria (our nation), and to all of our world.

His message to us is that, because we have been so blessed to have received His "free gift" of eternal life -- we are to take that "free gift" to others who do not yet have it. His message to us is that we desire to bring all of our Friends, Relatives, Associates, and Neighbors -- all of our FRANs to a saving knowledge of Jesus Christ.

So, VP, are you going to respect the atheists' and other non-believers' views -- or are you going to respect Jesus Christ's view? That is the very important question.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Bill,

If we have already heard the gospel and we know what you believe and what other christians believe and we still don't believe in it ourselves, do you shun us?

I don't want to speak for all atheist, but I for one have heard it all before. I can say that if I began to have doubts about my atheism, VP, b50m, O No, thenagel would be who I would turn to on this forum. I can assure you that it would not be you, buffalo or any of the other self righteous folks that frequent this place. Mainly because they have been kind to me and because they have shown me respect.

So if your true agenda is to save souls I think you could learn a lot from the way VP and some others witness to their belief. If you have ridiculed and name called someone that person is not likely to ever want to hear what you have to say on any subject.
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So, VP, are you going to respect the atheists' and other non-believers' views -- or are you going to respect Jesus Christ's view? That is the very important question.


Do not question my faith in Jesus Christ.
Witnessing is not hitting people over the head with the bible. It is not berating them for having a different opinon.
NEVER have I agreed with an "athiest" that there is no God.
Ever.
But my life itself is a witness to my love for Jesus.
That's enough.
Jank,

Also:

You were barely weaned at the time but Deepfat and Gofish, the first atheist I ever heard of in my life bastardized every believer on this forum.

It was` awful, they were unrelenting in their vile ridicule of believers.

They made fun constantly of everyone on the religious forum.

Their influence turned otherwise peaceful readers into the slobbering jerks they were themselves.

You are not a good atheist. Believe me I know what a good atheist behaves like.

If these a-holes are what you want to be remembered as keep it up.

Veplee , you criticize me, well that’s why I give them NO quarter.

Until deep fat and gofish come on here and apologize for the animals they have fostered.

I will pursue them over the edge of hell because they have intentionally hurt so many lives.
There is at least 4 on your list that I don't know, so I can't say if you are right on their account or not.

Nagel, A. robustus, bjbg don't fit at all. I have never seen any of them troll this forum as you do. If by stating their belief you are offended then that is your problem. Seems you are sometimes easily upset, so maybe you are just taking things out of context.

buffalo, what do you want from these folks? Do you want them to say you are right and they have seen the error of their ways? I thought you weren't here to save souls. I thought you were here to observe human behavior.

So hush now, and observe.
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Jank,

Also:

You were barely weaned at the time but Deepfat and Gofish, the first atheist I ever heard of in my life bastardized every believer on this forum.

It was` awful, they were unrelenting in their vile ridicule of believers.

They made fun constantly of everyone on the religious forum.

Their influence turned otherwise peaceful readers into the slobbering jerks they were themselves.

You are not a good atheist. Believe me I know what a good atheist behaves like.

If these a-holes are what you want to be remembered as keep it up.

Veplee , you criticize me, well that’s why I give them NO quarter.

Until deep fat and gofish come on here and apologize for the animals they have fostered.

I will pursue them over the edge of hell because they have intentionally hurt so many lives.


So its more of a "Do as I say, not as I do" thing for you.

I never bought into that.

Jerks, a-holes, animals....nice.
I am still fairly new to the forum. I find it interesting to read the various points of view and was hopeful it would be a place where there would be a civil discussion and tolerant exchange of beliefs. Currently I read more than i post and perhaps that will change. I don't label myself as anything so i'm not sure where i fit in here as it appears most of the regulars have already formed a set belief in one religion or none. I liked the term "Seeker" someone used in a post as i'm interested in learning about all religions. I admit that my current beliefs are fairly basic and still full of questions.

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