I will never understand why this kind of things have to happen to the innocent.
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What does Christian condolences suppose to mean?
quote:Originally posted by kimberleehel:
What does Christian condolences suppose to mean?
It is a means of conveying your sympathy and compassion to individuals who have experienced a loss, such as the one referenced in the TD, by sharing with the grieving family your faith that the LOVE of GOD will give them strength and comfort through their difficult days ahead.
Gotcha....thank you
I have no idea how fast this lady was driving...I feel for her also..I don't know how you could accept this if you were the driver either.....I DO know that the speed that is traveled on this very road is outrageous. My grandchildren are not allowed to even play in my front yard because of traffic. this is the 2nd wreck on this road this week! If you travel County Road 25, please slow down! Children are in yards if not on the road.
Not sure what time this happened, but I woke up about 4:50 p.m. yesterday and because of cloud cover in Florence, it was dark. I wondered if the little girl had gone to the mailbox alone or if she ran ahead. It's always hardest to see at dusk--not the best time to be out walking or crossing a rural road.
according to TD, it happened around 4....I agree...people think they do not even need lights on until it is completely dark...needed very much at dusk!!!!! I've also wondered if she was out there alone or if a family member was with her and saw it happen....anyone know?
Please bare with me here as I attempt not to answer the question but to answer the question of just what is life and with that, it may resolve some of the questions, pertaining to the question ask here.
This question has been asked since man's arrival on this earth. In many languages, many cultures,and under many circumstances that do not make sense to the reasoning and pragmatic portion of the human mind. Some during times like this turn to a force which some call "God" for support. Some turn to the source of life in anger which they refer to as "God" and point a finger of condemnation.
If you are one who believes in a Guiding Force, Energy, God, Godess, etc, then your belief is that it is ,"one that is seen and of the unseen, all that is, all that has ever been, and all that will ever be.
To understand the above simple phrase will be the hardest thing you will ever do, yet the easiest. Why, because you have to change your perspective of who (Life)you, we, the little girl. are and come to the realization that we are a "sum" of the "whole" (Life).
It is the easiest thing one can do.... for you have to do nothing, for all you have to do is "be". It is not a action, but simply an acknowledgement of admission.
It is simply that we are greater than and more than you have thought you,we and the little girl were before. This is when you realize that the "Life force"(life) that is within each of our bodies is not a individual enity within itself, but a portion of the whole.(Life)
From this, the phrase comes "WE ARE ALL ONE". Many have heard this, yet have rejected it, and that rejection has been the cause of many of wars. Untold heartaches brought about by human actions against other humans thinking that we are indiviuals. If they thought we are all one, then certain events that have occurred in our history would have never occurred, as it would not be sensible to do those things to ourself.
So please give me the right to interexchange just for this purpose of my view the word "God" with "Life". In my mind nothing that is, is not "Life". "Life" is all there is, all there has ever been and all there will ever be. Nothing exist outside of "Life".
"Life"(God) needs nothing to occur other than what is occurring. "Life" needs nothing to occur except what is occuring. The "Universe" needs nothing to occur except what is occuring.
That is the "Nature" of things. This is "how" it is. It is "NOT" in my mind how some have imagined it.
If one believes the above, you understand the "Truth" about "Life".
It is impossible for you or the little girl to not survive. You, She or we cannot not fail to "Live". It becomes a question of NOT do you or does she live but "HOW" we live. Other words, in what "FORM" do you, I or she exist at times.
If it is true that "Life" is every lasting, and you, I or she is a "Sum of Life" then it is impossible for life to not exist. Remember if "Life" is not only the seen but the unseen, then just because she is no longer of the physical realm, does not mean her "Life Force" (God Force) no longer exist. Thus, while she may no longer be of this physcial rheam, nothing really has been taken away. Her parents and all of us are just like her, "A SUM OF THE LIFE FORCE". It is impossible for one to die, for to do so would reveal that the "Life force" that is of which we are a sum could also die.
Now! comes the question and the answer to my mind, which some have a very difficult time in accepting.
If the "Life Force" (God) is first cause, then what can occur that the "Life Force"(God) did not cause in the first place?
If the "Life Force"(God) is all powerful as some believe, what can occur that the "Life Force" did not choose to occur?
Is it possible for something to occur that the "Life Force" could not stop?
If the "Life Force" is choosing not to stop it, is the occurrence itself not something which the "Life Force" is choosing?
The answer: OF COURSE IT IS
Then the question comes, why would the "Life Force"(God) do something or allow something that would make it unhappy?
Now here comes the hard part for some who read this..."Nothing Makes the "Life Force" (God) Unhappy.
Now! the reason some reject this is, they cannot reason there is a "Life Force" without NEED or JUDGEMENT.
The reason they cannot believe this and it rings untrue is they cannot reason that such a "human' exist.They have trouble believing there is a "Life Force" greater than their "sum", and they would be right.
In reality, the "Life Force" is not greater than the Sum, for how could it be? The 'Life Force is of which is You, I and the little girl, and you,I and the little girl are which is the "Life Force". Yet! many have fail to recogize they are greater than they are.
We as humans have a need to explain things or put into perspective things that happen that are out of our control. So we created a rationale of why certain things occur. Some in that rationale went so far to say it is "God's Will or the Life Forces Will".
With that came the second...fiquring out just what the "Life Force's'(God's) will was. In order to do this, we started to develop our cultural beliefs and from this came the Phrase "thy will be done", and with that phrase we developed that the "Life Force" has an agenda for us.
In this cultural development, we then told ourselves that we are separate from the "Life force", and from this came the belief that "Death Exist". Some have excepted this, and some have come to recognize that death is but an illusion. Death for it to exist would be to say that "Life" does not exist, for we are "Life Itself", and for death to exist, then the 'Life Force" within each of us, would have the capability to die also. If Death exist, then it must be concluded that the "Life Force" (God)does not exist, since death and the "life Force"(God) are exclusive of each other.
If you are one that believes in "God" or the "Life Force" then you are one that believes that death is but an "Illusion" or a transition of 'Sum of the Life Force Energy" from the "SEEN BACK INTO THE UNSEEN". Otherwords, the "Sum of the Life Force" form that had existed as the seen, has merely changed into another form of the unseen. From this will come the realization that the illusion that time has run out for that little girl's life is but an illusion. Once you understand this, then you come to the realization that the change of form is but a change into more life. You can relax under that banner of faith, that while departed from this rheam, she has entered into another to continue that life force existence with other experiences to come.
This alters everything for then you realize that "WE SHOULD LOVE LIFE AS IT IS" and relish in the fact this is but one existence and experience. We then come to the conclusion that life here has nothing to do with the "WILL OF THE LIFE FORCE(GOD)", for there is "NO ONE ELSE IN THE ROOM. There is "ONLY ONE OF US".
If this is true, then everything happens in perfect order. We, I, the little girl are all at cause in creating the events of our existence here. We are co-creaters with the creator in producing circumstances leading to the events in our lifes. We, as humans sometimes think more of the physical realm, than of our soul. Some have forgotten, and some do not believe this at all, that the Soul intuitively seeks the perfect circumstance and situation of which it wishes to experience.The soul has fiqured out what the human mind cannot or has difficulty in conceiving.
Sometimes the Soul cuts it life short for it understands that it is not causing its death, it is simply releasing itself from the earthly bondage into another form. Then comes the question then do "accidents" really exist or are they utilized only as a method in which to free the soul like a butterfly as from a cocoon. Yes! the ones who are left behind mourn the lost of that soul and rightly so. But hopefully, they will come to realize that what happen was actually a birth and not a death.
What has occurred happened as it was meant to be for I really don't believe the "Life Force"(God) has made a mistake in a long...long ...time...do you?
This question has been asked since man's arrival on this earth. In many languages, many cultures,and under many circumstances that do not make sense to the reasoning and pragmatic portion of the human mind. Some during times like this turn to a force which some call "God" for support. Some turn to the source of life in anger which they refer to as "God" and point a finger of condemnation.
If you are one who believes in a Guiding Force, Energy, God, Godess, etc, then your belief is that it is ,"one that is seen and of the unseen, all that is, all that has ever been, and all that will ever be.
To understand the above simple phrase will be the hardest thing you will ever do, yet the easiest. Why, because you have to change your perspective of who (Life)you, we, the little girl. are and come to the realization that we are a "sum" of the "whole" (Life).
It is the easiest thing one can do.... for you have to do nothing, for all you have to do is "be". It is not a action, but simply an acknowledgement of admission.
It is simply that we are greater than and more than you have thought you,we and the little girl were before. This is when you realize that the "Life force"(life) that is within each of our bodies is not a individual enity within itself, but a portion of the whole.(Life)
From this, the phrase comes "WE ARE ALL ONE". Many have heard this, yet have rejected it, and that rejection has been the cause of many of wars. Untold heartaches brought about by human actions against other humans thinking that we are indiviuals. If they thought we are all one, then certain events that have occurred in our history would have never occurred, as it would not be sensible to do those things to ourself.
So please give me the right to interexchange just for this purpose of my view the word "God" with "Life". In my mind nothing that is, is not "Life". "Life" is all there is, all there has ever been and all there will ever be. Nothing exist outside of "Life".
"Life"(God) needs nothing to occur other than what is occurring. "Life" needs nothing to occur except what is occuring. The "Universe" needs nothing to occur except what is occuring.
That is the "Nature" of things. This is "how" it is. It is "NOT" in my mind how some have imagined it.
If one believes the above, you understand the "Truth" about "Life".
It is impossible for you or the little girl to not survive. You, She or we cannot not fail to "Live". It becomes a question of NOT do you or does she live but "HOW" we live. Other words, in what "FORM" do you, I or she exist at times.
If it is true that "Life" is every lasting, and you, I or she is a "Sum of Life" then it is impossible for life to not exist. Remember if "Life" is not only the seen but the unseen, then just because she is no longer of the physical realm, does not mean her "Life Force" (God Force) no longer exist. Thus, while she may no longer be of this physcial rheam, nothing really has been taken away. Her parents and all of us are just like her, "A SUM OF THE LIFE FORCE". It is impossible for one to die, for to do so would reveal that the "Life force" that is of which we are a sum could also die.
Now! comes the question and the answer to my mind, which some have a very difficult time in accepting.
If the "Life Force" (God) is first cause, then what can occur that the "Life Force"(God) did not cause in the first place?
If the "Life Force"(God) is all powerful as some believe, what can occur that the "Life Force" did not choose to occur?
Is it possible for something to occur that the "Life Force" could not stop?
If the "Life Force" is choosing not to stop it, is the occurrence itself not something which the "Life Force" is choosing?
The answer: OF COURSE IT IS
Then the question comes, why would the "Life Force"(God) do something or allow something that would make it unhappy?
Now here comes the hard part for some who read this..."Nothing Makes the "Life Force" (God) Unhappy.
Now! the reason some reject this is, they cannot reason there is a "Life Force" without NEED or JUDGEMENT.
The reason they cannot believe this and it rings untrue is they cannot reason that such a "human' exist.They have trouble believing there is a "Life Force" greater than their "sum", and they would be right.
In reality, the "Life Force" is not greater than the Sum, for how could it be? The 'Life Force is of which is You, I and the little girl, and you,I and the little girl are which is the "Life Force". Yet! many have fail to recogize they are greater than they are.
We as humans have a need to explain things or put into perspective things that happen that are out of our control. So we created a rationale of why certain things occur. Some in that rationale went so far to say it is "God's Will or the Life Forces Will".
With that came the second...fiquring out just what the "Life Force's'(God's) will was. In order to do this, we started to develop our cultural beliefs and from this came the Phrase "thy will be done", and with that phrase we developed that the "Life Force" has an agenda for us.
In this cultural development, we then told ourselves that we are separate from the "Life force", and from this came the belief that "Death Exist". Some have excepted this, and some have come to recognize that death is but an illusion. Death for it to exist would be to say that "Life" does not exist, for we are "Life Itself", and for death to exist, then the 'Life Force" within each of us, would have the capability to die also. If Death exist, then it must be concluded that the "Life Force" (God)does not exist, since death and the "life Force"(God) are exclusive of each other.
If you are one that believes in "God" or the "Life Force" then you are one that believes that death is but an "Illusion" or a transition of 'Sum of the Life Force Energy" from the "SEEN BACK INTO THE UNSEEN". Otherwords, the "Sum of the Life Force" form that had existed as the seen, has merely changed into another form of the unseen. From this will come the realization that the illusion that time has run out for that little girl's life is but an illusion. Once you understand this, then you come to the realization that the change of form is but a change into more life. You can relax under that banner of faith, that while departed from this rheam, she has entered into another to continue that life force existence with other experiences to come.
This alters everything for then you realize that "WE SHOULD LOVE LIFE AS IT IS" and relish in the fact this is but one existence and experience. We then come to the conclusion that life here has nothing to do with the "WILL OF THE LIFE FORCE(GOD)", for there is "NO ONE ELSE IN THE ROOM. There is "ONLY ONE OF US".
If this is true, then everything happens in perfect order. We, I, the little girl are all at cause in creating the events of our existence here. We are co-creaters with the creator in producing circumstances leading to the events in our lifes. We, as humans sometimes think more of the physical realm, than of our soul. Some have forgotten, and some do not believe this at all, that the Soul intuitively seeks the perfect circumstance and situation of which it wishes to experience.The soul has fiqured out what the human mind cannot or has difficulty in conceiving.
Sometimes the Soul cuts it life short for it understands that it is not causing its death, it is simply releasing itself from the earthly bondage into another form. Then comes the question then do "accidents" really exist or are they utilized only as a method in which to free the soul like a butterfly as from a cocoon. Yes! the ones who are left behind mourn the lost of that soul and rightly so. But hopefully, they will come to realize that what happen was actually a birth and not a death.
What has occurred happened as it was meant to be for I really don't believe the "Life Force"(God) has made a mistake in a long...long ...time...do you?
Thanks for your input Trader. I guess the question was not of interest to Kimberleehel so the subject was rudely changed.
All this really boils down to,is someone NOT supervising this child.
quote:Originally posted by yankeegramma:
All this really boils down to,is someone NOT supervising this child.
Have you not ever had a small child to suddenly get away from you?
quote:Originally posted by Young Old Man:
I will never understand why this kind of things have to happen to the innocent.
And the evil lives a long life & walks the streets.
quote:Originally posted by semiannualchick:quote:Originally posted by yankeegramma:
All this really boils down to,is someone NOT supervising this child.
Have you not ever had a small child to suddenly get away from you?
I have and know from experience how quickly these things can happen. I certainly won't be so shallow as to cast guilt on the poor parents of this child.
I'm sorry, but this hits close to home.A few years ago, my step-daughter was at my home with her 2 year old daughter.I was in the kitchen cooking and they were out in the backyard. I heard a knock on the front door,It was an elderly lady,visibly shaken,holding my granddaughter's hand.My granddaughter was in the road and this woman just barely missed running over her.I apologized to this poor woman and took my granddaughter out to her mother(I use the term loosely).I explained what happened. Her reply was "Nobody better run over my child",not "I'm sorry for not watching her better".She turned around and acted like nothing happened.Needless to say,I took my granddaughter back in the house with me,because her mother wasn't going to do her job as a mother.
YankeeM...
I have learned along time ago that just because you can donate sperm, it does not make you a dad...and giving birth does not automatically make you a mother...
The word Dad and Mother have to be earned and that comes with time and a lot of sleepless nights..
I have learned along time ago that just because you can donate sperm, it does not make you a dad...and giving birth does not automatically make you a mother...
The word Dad and Mother have to be earned and that comes with time and a lot of sleepless nights..
quote:Originally posted by trader:
Please bare with me here as I attempt not to answer the question but to answer the question of just what is life and with that, it may resolve some of the questions, pertaining to the question ask here.
This question has been asked since man's arrival on this earth. In many languages, many cultures,and under many circumstances that do not make sense to the reasoning and pragmatic portion of the human mind. Some during times like this turn to a force which some call "God" for support. Some turn to the source of life in anger which they refer to as "God" and point a finger of condemnation.
If you are one who believes in a Guiding Force, Energy, God, Godess, etc, then your belief is that it is ,"one that is seen and of the unseen, all that is, all that has ever been, and all that will ever be.
To understand the above simple phrase will be the hardest thing you will ever do, yet the easiest. Why, because you have to change your perspective of who (Life)you, we, the little girl. are and come to the realization that we are a "sum" of the "whole" (Life).
It is the easiest thing one can do.... for you have to do nothing, for all you have to do is "be". It is not a action, but simply an acknowledgement of admission.
It is simply that we are greater than and more than you have thought you,we and the little girl were before. This is when you realize that the "Life force"(life) that is within each of our bodies is not a individual enity within itself, but a portion of the whole.(Life)
From this, the phrase comes "WE ARE ALL ONE". Many have heard this, yet have rejected it, and that rejection has been the cause of many of wars. Untold heartaches brought about by human actions against other humans thinking that we are indiviuals. If they thought we are all one, then certain events that have occurred in our history would have never occurred, as it would not be sensible to do those things to ourself.
So please give me the right to interexchange just for this purpose of my view the word "God" with "Life". In my mind nothing that is, is not "Life". "Life" is all there is, all there has ever been and all there will ever be. Nothing exist outside of "Life".
"Life"(God) needs nothing to occur other than what is occurring. "Life" needs nothing to occur except what is occuring. The "Universe" needs nothing to occur except what is occuring.
That is the "Nature" of things. This is "how" it is. It is "NOT" in my mind how some have imagined it.
If one believes the above, you understand the "Truth" about "Life".
It is impossible for you or the little girl to not survive. You, She or we cannot not fail to "Live". It becomes a question of NOT do you or does she live but "HOW" we live. Other words, in what "FORM" do you, I or she exist at times.
If it is true that "Life" is every lasting, and you, I or she is a "Sum of Life" then it is impossible for life to not exist. Remember if "Life" is not only the seen but the unseen, then just because she is no longer of the physical realm, does not mean her "Life Force" (God Force) no longer exist. Thus, while she may no longer be of this physcial rheam, nothing really has been taken away. Her parents and all of us are just like her, "A SUM OF THE LIFE FORCE". It is impossible for one to die, for to do so would reveal that the "Life force" that is of which we are a sum could also die.
Now! comes the question and the answer to my mind, which some have a very difficult time in accepting.
If the "Life Force" (God) is first cause, then what can occur that the "Life Force"(God) did not cause in the first place?
If the "Life Force"(God) is all powerful as some believe, what can occur that the "Life Force" did not choose to occur?
Is it possible for something to occur that the "Life Force" could not stop?
If the "Life Force" is choosing not to stop it, is the occurrence itself not something which the "Life Force" is choosing?
The answer: OF COURSE IT IS
Then the question comes, why would the "Life Force"(God) do something or allow something that would make it unhappy?
Now here comes the hard part for some who read this..."Nothing Makes the "Life Force" (God) Unhappy.
Now! the reason some reject this is, they cannot reason there is a "Life Force" without NEED or JUDGEMENT.
The reason they cannot believe this and it rings untrue is they cannot reason that such a "human' exist.They have trouble believing there is a "Life Force" greater than their "sum", and they would be right.
In reality, the "Life Force" is not greater than the Sum, for how could it be? The 'Life Force is of which is You, I and the little girl, and you,I and the little girl are which is the "Life Force". Yet! many have fail to recogize they are greater than they are.
We as humans have a need to explain things or put into perspective things that happen that are out of our control. So we created a rationale of why certain things occur. Some in that rationale went so far to say it is "God's Will or the Life Forces Will".
With that came the second...fiquring out just what the "Life Force's'(God's) will was. In order to do this, we started to develop our cultural beliefs and from this came the Phrase "thy will be done", and with that phrase we developed that the "Life Force" has an agenda for us.
In this cultural development, we then told ourselves that we are separate from the "Life force", and from this came the belief that "Death Exist". Some have excepted this, and some have come to recognize that death is but an illusion. Death for it to exist would be to say that "Life" does not exist, for we are "Life Itself", and for death to exist, then the 'Life Force" within each of us, would have the capability to die also. If Death exist, then it must be concluded that the "Life Force" (God)does not exist, since death and the "life Force"(God) are exclusive of each other.
If you are one that believes in "God" or the "Life Force" then you are one that believes that death is but an "Illusion" or a transition of 'Sum of the Life Force Energy" from the "SEEN BACK INTO THE UNSEEN". Otherwords, the "Sum of the Life Force" form that had existed as the seen, has merely changed into another form of the unseen. From this will come the realization that the illusion that time has run out for that little girl's life is but an illusion. Once you understand this, then you come to the realization that the change of form is but a change into more life. You can relax under that banner of faith, that while departed from this rheam, she has entered into another to continue that life force existence with other experiences to come.
This alters everything for then you realize that "WE SHOULD LOVE LIFE AS IT IS" and relish in the fact this is but one existence and experience. We then come to the conclusion that life here has nothing to do with the "WILL OF THE LIFE FORCE(GOD)", for there is "NO ONE ELSE IN THE ROOM. There is "ONLY ONE OF US".
If this is true, then everything happens in perfect order. We, I, the little girl are all at cause in creating the events of our existence here. We are co-creaters with the creator in producing circumstances leading to the events in our lifes. We, as humans sometimes think more of the physical realm, than of our soul. Some have forgotten, and some do not believe this at all, that the Soul intuitively seeks the perfect circumstance and situation of which it wishes to experience.The soul has fiqured out what the human mind cannot or has difficulty in conceiving.
Sometimes the Soul cuts it life short for it understands that it is not causing its death, it is simply releasing itself from the earthly bondage into another form. Then comes the question then do "accidents" really exist or are they utilized only as a method in which to free the soul like a butterfly as from a cocoon. Yes! the ones who are left behind mourn the lost of that soul and rightly so. But hopefully, they will come to realize that what happen was actually a birth and not a death.
What has occurred happened as it was meant to be for I really don't believe the "Life Force"(God) has made a mistake in a long...long ...time...do you?
A mistake? Lets see, The God of the Christian bible allowed 6 million of his chosen people to be slaughtered. was that meant to be?
quote:Originally posted by Surreal Justice:
A mistake? Lets see, The God of the Christian bible allowed 6 million of his chosen people to be slaughtered. was that meant to be?
Some folks have learned to accept things as being Gods will. Some things you just cant explain in earthly terms. Gods plan seldom makes perfect sense.
After all, you are here, arent you....
quote:Originally posted by mekirk2:quote:Originally posted by Surreal Justice:
A mistake? Lets see, The God of the Christian bible allowed 6 million of his chosen people to be slaughtered. was that meant to be?
Some folks have learned to accept things as being Gods will. Some things you just cant explain in earthly terms. Gods plan seldom makes perfect sense.
After all, you are here, arent you....
Just what is Gods plan?
quote:Originally posted by Surreal Justice:
Just what is Gods plan?
I wouldnt know, its not my plan. Im just along for the ride.....
quote:Originally posted by mekirk2:quote:Originally posted by Surreal Justice:
Just what is Gods plan?
I wouldnt know, its not my plan. Im just along for the ride.....
Why are you posting about it then?
quote:Originally posted by Surreal Justice:
Why are you posting about it then?
Same reason you are, only I have a bit of compassion. You?
quote:Originally posted by mekirk2:quote:Originally posted by Surreal Justice:
Why are you posting about it then?
Same reason you are, only I have a bit of compassion. You?
No, not the same reason I am. I am not afraid to state how I feel.
The fact is, you jumped in another of my postings trying to harass me but I called you on this one.
Now...either put up or shut up!
Atheist unreal?
That explains a lot.
That explains a lot.
quote:Originally posted by baracus:
Atheist unreal?
That explains a lot.
Christian baracus? That explains a lot.
quote:Originally posted by Surreal Justice:
No, not the same reason I am. I am not afraid to state how I feel.
The fact is, you jumped in another of my postings trying to harass me but I called you on this one.
Now...either put up or shut up!
You dont feel, at least you dont act like it. Being an Atheist doesnt explain alot to me, I know lots of atheists that are compassionate, good hearted people. They just dont believe in God. While you may be an atheist, you are far from good hearted. I doubt you have any heart at all.
And the only thing you called me on was calling you out on the trash you talk. We hang out in the same forum, get used to it.....
The child was not left unattended. The driver was speeding and didn't realized she hit the child. She didn't stop immediately, she drove down the road, turned around and came back. Her car was impounded and the state troopers held the woman for 4 hours. I feel there will be charges against her. As for the ones that want to blame the girl's family, shame on you.
Satan causes death, not God. You can't have good without evil. It was satan that caused death in the beginning, not God. Man can not and will not understand God's plan. We are not on his level. He sees the big picture where we are incapable of seeing that. Why didn't God prevent this from happening? If God were to do this consistently, He would end up having to control our every act and even our thoughts. This would render us without any freedom of choice and we would end up being mere puppets in the hands of God.
You have to ask yourself why did God allow his son, Jesus, to suffer and die on the cross? Becuase there was a bigger plan.
It is a tragedy what happened to this little girl and I pray for this family's loss. I pray that noone evers has to go through losing a child.
Satan causes death, not God. You can't have good without evil. It was satan that caused death in the beginning, not God. Man can not and will not understand God's plan. We are not on his level. He sees the big picture where we are incapable of seeing that. Why didn't God prevent this from happening? If God were to do this consistently, He would end up having to control our every act and even our thoughts. This would render us without any freedom of choice and we would end up being mere puppets in the hands of God.
You have to ask yourself why did God allow his son, Jesus, to suffer and die on the cross? Becuase there was a bigger plan.
It is a tragedy what happened to this little girl and I pray for this family's loss. I pray that noone evers has to go through losing a child.
quote:Originally posted by Surreal Justice:quote:Originally posted by mekirk2:quote:Originally posted by Surreal Justice:
Why are you posting about it then?
Same reason you are, only I have a bit of compassion. You?
No, not the same reason I am. I am not afraid to state how I feel.
The fact is, you jumped in another of my postings trying to harass me but I called you on this one.
Now...either put up or shut up!
Hey Kirk, yeah SJ really got you!!!!!! WOW, I wished I was as clever................OMG!
Not only does SJ talk total trash, she believes what she says.
quote:Originally posted by Surreal Justice:quote:Originally posted by mekirk2:quote:Originally posted by Surreal Justice:
Why are you posting about it then?
Same reason you are, only I have a bit of compassion. You?
No, not the same reason I am. I am not afraid to state how I feel.
The fact is, you jumped in another of my postings trying to harass me but I called you on this one.
Now...either put up or shut up!
That is soooo funny!
quote:Originally posted by Young Old Man:
Thanks for your input Trader. I guess the question was not of interest to Kimberleehel so the subject was rudely changed.
Kimberleehel simply asked a question...i don't think she was trying to disrespect anyone or anyone's viewpoints or posts. You, on the other hand, tried and succeeded in being rude. Unwad your panties and try again please.
quote:The child was not left unattended. The driver was speeding and didn't realized she hit the child. She didn't stop immediately, she drove down the road, turned around and came back. Her car was impounded and the state troopers held the woman for 4 hours. I feel there will be charges against her. As for the ones that want to blame the girl's family, shame on you.
I once hit a large dog on 71. I wasn't sure what I'd hit since it was almost dark. I had to drive almost a mile to find a place to turn around. Could have been the case with this lady. I wouldn't throw stones at her either. If the troopers held her she should have called a family member or lawyer.
quote:Originally posted by Trutooit-II:quote:The child was not left unattended. The driver was speeding and didn't realized she hit the child. She didn't stop immediately, she drove down the road, turned around and came back. Her car was impounded and the state troopers held the woman for 4 hours. I feel there will be charges against her. As for the ones that want to blame the girl's family, shame on you.
I once hit a large dog on 71. I wasn't sure what I'd hit since it was almost dark. I had to drive almost a mile to find a place to turn around. Could have been the case with this lady. I wouldn't throw stones at her either. If the troopers held her she should have called a family member or lawyer.
A dog is totally different from a little girl. Not throwing stones just stating fact, no speculation.
Was this child in the yard a safe distance from the road or in the road with an adult holding her hand when she was hit? If the answer is NO,then the child was not being supervised. This is just my opinion, I can't help the way I feel.Most people,especially the young ones,just don't realize what a special gift a child is.I do feel for this family,but hope this incident makes people realize that children have to be cared for like a priceless,fragile piece of crystal.
quote:Originally posted by A Father:
As for the ones that want to blame the girl's family, shame on you.
The lady that said the child was not being supervised is cruel. I hope her judgemental attitude doesn't come back & bite her in the butt.
It only takes a split second for a child to get away from you. May not be the case here with this child but it does happen. I wish this family peace but it will be a long time coming, if ever. My heart goes out to them.
Surreal......
I waited for awhile in attempting to answer your question from my point of view, and as I write this I am not sure I am doing the right thing here. This particular subject is not the place to be discussing theology and different beliefs. Theology and politics are subjects that tend to go around in circles and after while you see your behind as you race forward and realize that you have ran this track before.
With that said "Here Goes"
From the Earthly point of view, "Yes 6 million was slaughtered". The methods and treatment of those who were the recipient of these treatments goes beyond human comprehension in my mind.
If one is an "Atheist", then what I am about to say is going to be communicated to their eyes as "gibberish" and percieved as if one is listening to the readings of Harry Potter.
However, if one is of the "Faith" of believing there is a Creator, Energy, Life Force, God, Goddess, etc...then what I am about to write will ring true or partially true to them, depending on their particular faith and belief.
I have learned along time ago, that my views of a Creator, God, or Life Force should have no bearing on another's path in which they practice their faith. I have chosen the path that appears to be true to me, and the ones who follow my path will agree with what I say totally. However, I understand that my path may not be the path another should be on at a particular time of their earthly existence.
I have no problem with one who says they are an Atheist, Buddist, Hindu, Follower of Islam, Christian, etc....They are so many faiths with each having there own merits. During my life time, I have become Church of God, Assembly of God, Methodist, Baptist, Non-Christian, and a few more I have now forgotten. While they are all different in some suttle and not so suttle ways, they all attempt to teach the soul how to express their existence, interact and treat other souls while traveling on this earthly plain.
There is one thing that does ring true for all of us and that is "Every living thing has "The Life Force dewelling within it, and because of that all living things have that "IN COMMON", and YES! surreal, I know this makes you cringe but even you, Sassy,Kirk,and I.
I read a statement one time, that said, "We are all teachers and Students" and "that all enteractions that occur with other souls are not by chance but have a direct purpose, and in the end we will understand."
Now! I truely believe that, as when one gives me a different point of view or states it in a manner which was intended to offend, I realize this is a time to learn a lesson. First, I attempt to see validty in their point of view based on my perspective of life, then view why they put forth such a statement with such negative connotation. Whether one offends depends on me, as to whether I allow them that freedom do so. Either way I have gained knowledge of anothers point of view and can choose to accept it as my own or reject it. Their display of negative emotion can be a lesson in why I do not wish to present myself in that way to others.
Now! to get back to your Question " Did God make a mistake when six million were slaughtered " ?
In my mind the answer would be "NO".....Now from the earthly plain point of view that answer would appear to be totally incorrect and at the least insensitive to the plight of those souls who suffered so horribly during that period of history.
If you are one who believes that "Death" does not exist and that the life force within us is IMMUNE to what some refer to as DEATH, then the following may ring true to them...
"Hitler did NO HARM OR DAMAGE" to the souls whose SUPPOSED DEATH he caused. True.... without a doubt,one may kill the body, but WE ARE NOT our body, or mind, as we are a "LIFE FORCE" that some refer as 'THE SOUL OR SPIRIT". NO SOUL HAS EVER BEEN KILLED BY HITLER OR ANYONE ELSE, FOR IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO DO SO. Hitler's action simply released those souls from their earthly existence into another FORM OF LIFE or ENERGY.
In fact, what occurred was a double edged sword. It was the worst of humanity, and yet one of the greatest lessons taught to mankind. What was the lesson...? "What unbridled Evil can do when allowed to flourish"
So! did God or The Life Force make a mistake or was it a lesson that hopefully was well learned and will never be forgotten. Sadly, this has occurred many times throughout mankinds existence as history has the tendency to repeat itself over and over, thus we as humans have a short memory span, as indicated by the way we vote for the same congressman everytime an election comes up.
I hope this diatribe has not offended anyone, as it is simply my mortal attempt to make sense out of the insensible events that occur on this plain...
I waited for awhile in attempting to answer your question from my point of view, and as I write this I am not sure I am doing the right thing here. This particular subject is not the place to be discussing theology and different beliefs. Theology and politics are subjects that tend to go around in circles and after while you see your behind as you race forward and realize that you have ran this track before.
With that said "Here Goes"
From the Earthly point of view, "Yes 6 million was slaughtered". The methods and treatment of those who were the recipient of these treatments goes beyond human comprehension in my mind.
If one is an "Atheist", then what I am about to say is going to be communicated to their eyes as "gibberish" and percieved as if one is listening to the readings of Harry Potter.
However, if one is of the "Faith" of believing there is a Creator, Energy, Life Force, God, Goddess, etc...then what I am about to write will ring true or partially true to them, depending on their particular faith and belief.
I have learned along time ago, that my views of a Creator, God, or Life Force should have no bearing on another's path in which they practice their faith. I have chosen the path that appears to be true to me, and the ones who follow my path will agree with what I say totally. However, I understand that my path may not be the path another should be on at a particular time of their earthly existence.
I have no problem with one who says they are an Atheist, Buddist, Hindu, Follower of Islam, Christian, etc....They are so many faiths with each having there own merits. During my life time, I have become Church of God, Assembly of God, Methodist, Baptist, Non-Christian, and a few more I have now forgotten. While they are all different in some suttle and not so suttle ways, they all attempt to teach the soul how to express their existence, interact and treat other souls while traveling on this earthly plain.
There is one thing that does ring true for all of us and that is "Every living thing has "The Life Force dewelling within it, and because of that all living things have that "IN COMMON", and YES! surreal, I know this makes you cringe but even you, Sassy,Kirk,and I.
I read a statement one time, that said, "We are all teachers and Students" and "that all enteractions that occur with other souls are not by chance but have a direct purpose, and in the end we will understand."
Now! I truely believe that, as when one gives me a different point of view or states it in a manner which was intended to offend, I realize this is a time to learn a lesson. First, I attempt to see validty in their point of view based on my perspective of life, then view why they put forth such a statement with such negative connotation. Whether one offends depends on me, as to whether I allow them that freedom do so. Either way I have gained knowledge of anothers point of view and can choose to accept it as my own or reject it. Their display of negative emotion can be a lesson in why I do not wish to present myself in that way to others.
Now! to get back to your Question " Did God make a mistake when six million were slaughtered " ?
In my mind the answer would be "NO".....Now from the earthly plain point of view that answer would appear to be totally incorrect and at the least insensitive to the plight of those souls who suffered so horribly during that period of history.
If you are one who believes that "Death" does not exist and that the life force within us is IMMUNE to what some refer to as DEATH, then the following may ring true to them...
"Hitler did NO HARM OR DAMAGE" to the souls whose SUPPOSED DEATH he caused. True.... without a doubt,one may kill the body, but WE ARE NOT our body, or mind, as we are a "LIFE FORCE" that some refer as 'THE SOUL OR SPIRIT". NO SOUL HAS EVER BEEN KILLED BY HITLER OR ANYONE ELSE, FOR IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO DO SO. Hitler's action simply released those souls from their earthly existence into another FORM OF LIFE or ENERGY.
In fact, what occurred was a double edged sword. It was the worst of humanity, and yet one of the greatest lessons taught to mankind. What was the lesson...? "What unbridled Evil can do when allowed to flourish"
So! did God or The Life Force make a mistake or was it a lesson that hopefully was well learned and will never be forgotten. Sadly, this has occurred many times throughout mankinds existence as history has the tendency to repeat itself over and over, thus we as humans have a short memory span, as indicated by the way we vote for the same congressman everytime an election comes up.
I hope this diatribe has not offended anyone, as it is simply my mortal attempt to make sense out of the insensible events that occur on this plain...
quote:There is one thing that does ring true for all of us and that is "Every living thing has "The Life Force dewelling within it, and because of that all living things have that "IN COMMON", and YES! surreal, I know this makes you cringe but even you, Sassy,Kirk,and I.
First off let me say...your slight is noted.
You last paragraph describes exactly what I think of organized religion.
Many religions have been formed trying to figure out our being.
Its when one starts saying things like I will pray for you or God didn't make any mistakes that I take exception with.
You don't know how our creator works as I don't either.
When you make statements like you did about the Jews, you are actually saying that God meant for them to be slaughtered.
And what does "I'll pray for you" mean. Does that person have a better connection with God?
Does it mean God will do differently than what was meant to be?
Its my opinion Alpha and Omega either is, or it is not. Can't be the most powerful and blame everything bad that happens on the devil.
Surreal...
Don't be so defensive, that was a not a slight, that was simply my attempt at black humor..I must have failed ..Huh?
I agree it is man's concept of trying to make order out of disorder...then again so is everyone's point of view...unfortunately, some of those concepts have caused a tremendous amount of horror in the world, which you and I read about daily.
Prayer is simply a line communication that a person demostrates their feelings to what they perceive as their higher power, life force or whatever name they wish to bestow on what believe to be the creator, but you already knew that didn't you?
As far as the Jew's, how you interpret my communication is not up to me, I can only write it in a way in which I hope it is recieved. Apparently, in this incident it wasn't...but then again, I have no control over how you perceive things and will not attempt to do so..
Your last statement is so true...God or life force is first cause of all...to say the Devil did it is a cop out in my mind is a grand attempt at placing the blame on something else. If the Life Force is all powerful, then it has control even over the what some percieve as "satan"...as they say...the buck stops at the front door and you can't have it both ways.
By the way, you probably should not be asking me these questions, as I am not a Christian. This is not a slight on that faith, I just believe that if you classify yourself in a denomination, then you should believe every aspect of that particular faith, and there comes the rub...I don't believe some of it, so therefore, I cannot classify myself as such...
Even the ones who call themselves athesist, understand there is something greater than what they can see with the human eye....they may not know what it is, and even reject even thinking about it...but that does not change a thing about the universe
Don't be so defensive, that was a not a slight, that was simply my attempt at black humor..I must have failed ..Huh?
I agree it is man's concept of trying to make order out of disorder...then again so is everyone's point of view...unfortunately, some of those concepts have caused a tremendous amount of horror in the world, which you and I read about daily.
Prayer is simply a line communication that a person demostrates their feelings to what they perceive as their higher power, life force or whatever name they wish to bestow on what believe to be the creator, but you already knew that didn't you?
As far as the Jew's, how you interpret my communication is not up to me, I can only write it in a way in which I hope it is recieved. Apparently, in this incident it wasn't...but then again, I have no control over how you perceive things and will not attempt to do so..
Your last statement is so true...God or life force is first cause of all...to say the Devil did it is a cop out in my mind is a grand attempt at placing the blame on something else. If the Life Force is all powerful, then it has control even over the what some percieve as "satan"...as they say...the buck stops at the front door and you can't have it both ways.
By the way, you probably should not be asking me these questions, as I am not a Christian. This is not a slight on that faith, I just believe that if you classify yourself in a denomination, then you should believe every aspect of that particular faith, and there comes the rub...I don't believe some of it, so therefore, I cannot classify myself as such...
Even the ones who call themselves athesist, understand there is something greater than what they can see with the human eye....they may not know what it is, and even reject even thinking about it...but that does not change a thing about the universe
quote:"Hitler did NO HARM OR DAMAGE" to the souls whose SUPPOSED DEATH he caused. True.... without a doubt,one may kill the body, but WE ARE NOT our body, or mind, as we are a "LIFE FORCE" that some refer as 'THE SOUL OR SPIRIT". NO SOUL HAS EVER BEEN KILLED BY HITLER OR ANYONE ELSE, FOR IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO DO SO. Hitler's action simply released those souls from their earthly existence into another FORM OF LIFE or ENERGY.
OK now...what are you referring to in the above statement? If you are referring to a afterlife, why do you think that is?
IE...what makes you think there is a afterlife?
Quantum physics has proven that energy can be broken into many different forms. I have no other concept of the soul, since I am limited in knowledge other than we are energy. Energy can not be destroyed...it can altered,even bridled, constructed, and such...but never destroyed...it has always been and as of the knowledge we have to day will always be...thus you can change its form, but you did not destroy its existence...The question should not be why do you think there is a afterlife...but why would there not be...?
quote:Originally posted by semiannualchick:quote:Originally posted by A Father:
As for the ones that want to blame the girl's family, shame on you.
The lady that said the child was not being supervised is cruel. I hope her judgemental attitude doesn't come back & bite her in the butt.
It only takes a split second for a child to get away from you. May not be the case here with this child but it does happen. I wish this family peace but it will be a long time coming, if ever. My heart goes out to them.
I agree, this may just be a tragic accident. She was speeding. Thats a very open ended statement, I know very few people who dont speed. So thats no reason to hold her accountable personally. And yes, it would be easy to hit a 6 year old and not know it, depending on what she was driving and the surrounding conditions. So lets get all the facts in before we hang the driver out. She is probably doing that herself enough already.
I hope the family finds forgiveness for the driver and themselves. Im sure they will be asking themselves what they could have done differently over and over for years.
As for Yankeegramma, she seems to be old school and, while very critical, I do respect her thoughts and opinions. You just have to keep in mind what she is trying to say and apply it to your own situation. Like my grandma, she may not think about how it comes off to other people until after she says it....
Kirk
On your energy theory, does that include animals also?
Are you a scientologist?
Are you a scientologist?