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Originally posted by yankeewitch:
SLEEPER CELL-a small cell that isn't involved in any active terrorist activities UNTIL it is alerted, then begins it's predetermined preparation for an attack. I'm glad some of you are so sure you can tell these sleeper cells from innocent hard working people, because I can't and until I feel that I can identify a sleeper cell, I will err on the side of the U.S.A. They will not get any of my money to send back to use against us.I am not a radical christian, but I am a radical AMERICAN!

How did this forum go from
"Why I don't support our troops." to "How we should support our local "oops"arabic people."
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good definition of sleeper cell, and a reasonable excuse for being su****ious of strangers. BUT. A sleeper cell does not have to be made of immigrants, Muslims, or for that matter any age demographic.
The definition fits the US Armed Forces. They start out as civilians, join up, and go about their peacful daily existance until ordered to go do what they have been trained for. Reservists and National guardsmen pass through our lives without our knowing they are in the military. Then, some day after work they get a notice in the mail, or a telegram, or a phone call, and go off to do their patriotic duty.
That's why I support our troops. I rather like the ideal of a prepared ARMY. I like the fact that a few hundred million men and women have taken that responsibility over the history of our country.
I like it so much that I did it myself.
What I don't like is the objective of THIS PARTICULAR call up.
For one thing, it has weakened us at home. Our best are in Iraq.
Another problem, how do we know that the Muslim Americans in our Armed Forces will do as they have been told?
Are you aware that street gangs are urging their members to enlist? Do you know that they are reasoning that Military training will make them more effective?
Don't ever loose sight of the fact that Timothy McVeigh was a sleeper cell member, unwittingly trained by the United States to make bombs, and touched off by a federal action against a Religious Group. Do you think the people who sold him fertilized and deisel fuel expected him to make a bomb?
The problem is su****ion based on a generalization.
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Originally posted by logical:
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Originally posted by Kindred_Spirit:
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Originally posted by smurph:
Muslims DO NOT believe in Jesus Christ

all I need or want to know about them,peroid.


Agreed, my friend... I do tend to be a bit biased on the way "I" feel about religion also... and Jesus Christ is the center of my whole world.


Please explain to me how you are actually different from the supposedly intolerant muslims being discussed here?

You people simply take as truth that since you're a christian that you are better than a muslim. Give me a break. Look at smurph's comment above. Can't you see that that is *exactly* the attitude that the extremist muslims have? Just replace Jesus Christ with Mohammed and christian with muslim and you both sound just alike.

No wonder there are so many problems in this world. Sheesh.

logical,
I feel like I have met a friend. Thanks.
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Originally posted by jaime:
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Originally posted by smurph:
If you think I'm a troller you need to check again.
You explain in your post where you didn't blame Muslims or Islamist you called the nice family down the street...of which I have many!... for what is going on... There is nothing in your post that would point otherwise. I don't care what you have posted before or since... Your post was not acceptical for a valid thought.
Explain your post or go somewhere else!!!
This post is for thinking people.

my post which you CHOSE you climb all over was addressed to ed,,
[Posted 12 January 2007 08:15 PM Hide Post
ed, I agree with your points made ,BUT (yea i know everybody has one) HOW are we to KNOW? How are we as everyday Americans going to be able to judge and KNOW that nice family of Muslims down the street are just that?
It has already been pointed out how well the radicals that flew planes into our towers blended into our country. They ALL present themselves very well,yet we have no way of knowing WHAT IS GOING ON BEHIND THEIR CLOSED DOORS. They are a quiet,reserved peoples( from the few i have met and know), but there is no way on earth I can honestly say that I KNOW they are innocents just wanting to build a better life here in the US.
This is as many issues the media is over blowing things,or are they really? maybe we SHOULD have a fear,because if there is no fear we will be far too trusting and allow many things to get past our eye. This issue is a double sided coin for sure]

I do not recall asking YOU if my post was acceptible or not,I do not recall asking you if it was a valid point to it.But let me cue you in on something,,,,I do not need your acceptance or your validation when i post on here,now is this much understood?
now since you have declared yourself the all knowing,the expert in this area, then YOU educate us on how we are supposed to know,afterall that IS the point of my post,my pondering the subject. So go for it,educate us.

Smurph, YOU are the one the one that made the post. YOU explain what you meant. I can't do that for you dude.
And I'm not the judge and jury on your posts. I don't have the time to waste on judging how outragious your posts are. But when I see one that blames a whole section of people that for the majority disagree with what the RADICAL part of the same religion has taken over... yeah I'll confront anyone on it. I never said I was an "expert" on it. But I think I know enough about COMMON SENSE that I can tell the difference!!!
You can post all you want... that's the beauty of the American way. Just make sure you don't show your intelligence... or lack there of.

jamie,
I decide who is MY judge and jury. You are not it. God Might be, if he bothers.
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Originally posted by logical:

I cannot tell the good from the bad for any stranger. This is simply part of life. I do, however, believe that most people, regardless of where they are from or what religion they profess are basically good intentioned. I believe that will produce more positive results than negative ones.


Once AGAIN I agree with Yankeewitch's comment, short as it was, and my own answer is: Tell that to all the people in Florida that actually believed in 'true' friendships whith the al qaida hi-jackers... there were tons of people interviewed about their friendships, how hard they worked, how smart they were, how much they were liked, that most of them were "family men".... People in Florida also thought regardless of where someone is from they are trustworthy, ... Well, weren't THEY ever proven wrong.

Thing is, I don't want to argue this point, I really hate looking at ANYONE thinking they might just be the ONE who wants their suicide RIGHTS in heaven. But the thing is, I HAVE to, because it could happen right here. It can happen anywhere, and everyone surrounding the "BAD" ones will be equally shocked as the people in Florida was.

I pray that never happens, but in today's time, we have to be realistic and much tougher than we used to be, our very survival may depend on it.
AMEN KINDRED!
Not one word over pages and pages of posts is there anything to INFORM us on HOW we are to KNOW who is and who is not a RADICAL Muslim.
Simply post after post attempting to tell us how stupidly paranoid we are because we are su****ous and wanting to know HOW to identify.
The days of 100% open arm trust is over. The bombing of 9/11 has eliminated that (or at least it should) for everyone.
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Originally posted by jaime:
KS,
Thats why we are fighting the terrorist now. So it wouldn't happen here again.


You know Jaime, I would have totally agreed with you 2 years ago, but I cannot totally agree with that anymore... because I have listened to our very own President give FIVE different reasons to be there, on FIVE different occasions. Heck, if HE don't know enough about why we are there to let US know, then it is just a huge mess... and NOW we are involving Iran, and that sure enough is a HUGE and HARD can of worms that scares the hell outta me.

I wish we were only fighting terrorists, I could live with that and be totally silent.

The only thing I KNOW right now, is that the support of our Troops in my heart grows daily, and I am still in contact with mauiboy, and some others over there.... Those REAL young men and women is all I believe in right now.
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Originally posted by smurph:
AMEN KINDRED!
Not one word over pages and pages of posts is there anything to INFORM us on HOW we are to KNOW who is and who is not a RADICAL Muslim.
Simply post after post attempting to tell us how stupidly paranoid we are because we are su****ous and wanting to know HOW to identify.
The days of 100% open arm trust is over. The bombing of 9/11 has eliminated that (or at least it should) for everyone.


AMEN to this... days of trust is gone... and that, in and of itself, is a heart breaker. I am over half a century old... I actually DO remember the crime free days were we played outside daylight to dark, with no one to fear... no one would allow that with children these days, because we just cant. "Trusted" safety is a thing of the past, we have to try to MAKE THINGS safe for our families and our very own community.
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Originally posted by smurph:
Muslims believe Jesus was ONLY a prophet


This is true. And Christians believe Mohammad was what? At least muslims actually have respect for Jesus. Most christians have no respect for Mohammad at all.

Each side gets angry at the other because each thinks that the other side doesn't give the proper respect to their Prophet. It's the same old "if you don't believe like me, then you are bad." thing which has plagued mankind forever. So much waste.
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Originally posted by Kindred_Spirit:
The only thing I KNOW right now, is that the support of our Troops in my heart grows daily, and I am still in contact with mauiboy, and some others over there.... Those REAL young men and women is all I believe in right now.[/color][/b]


KS,
I wish more people would think that way. Even though people may oppose the war and the reasons for it, support for our troops is the responsibility of every American. Remembering their families at home is also just as important.
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Originally posted by imho:
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Originally posted by Kindred_Spirit:
The only thing I KNOW right now, is that the support of our Troops in my heart grows daily, and I am still in contact with mauiboy, and some others over there.... Those REAL young men and women is all I believe in right now.[/color][/b]


KS,
I wish more people would think that way. Even though people may oppose the war and the reasons for it, support for our troops is the responsibility of every American. Remembering their families at home is also just as important.



Me too, IMHO, me too!!! We can love our Troops, and hold them dear to our hearts without having to believe in the CAUSE of what they are ordered to do.
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Originally posted by imho:
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Originally posted by EdEKit:
...When, exactly, did this murderous rage begin? Did Hamas pop up on the planet one afternoon? Were a few folk sitting around drinking tea one sunny Wednesday and suddenly decide to rampage against non Muslims? Was there a sudden overwhelming mental illness visited upon about a billion people on the 7th of december 1952?


When? Forever - read your Bible. Filtered down through the ages. The hate that was once for the Jews now includes us.
If you are implying that all hate toward us is due to us being the aggressor then you don't know much about history.
Are you justifying the terrorists attack of 9/11 because we were not nice to the muslims?

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Originally posted by EdEKit:
Where is the foundation for that statement? "The only peace for extremists is to kill us all." It seems to me that your solution, "kill them before they kill us" is the same as what you say their solution is. Hitler called it the "Final Solution." I call it the "Hell's Angels" strategy, kill everybody, let God sort it out. I DON'T MUCH CARE FOR THAT PLAN.


NO - I said what I said. THEIR only peace is if we are all dead. Don't put words in my mouth!
If they would be civil we wouldn't need to keep after them.

What do you think would happen if the US just backed out of every other country and said we are just going to stay at home and protect ourselves - good luck to the rest of you?


The Devil is in the details. Detail one, what do you mean if we backed out? Do you mean ending US protection of US corporations doing business under the jurisdiction of foreign governments? Wal Mart is effectively making treaties with China. They are not binding on the US, so they are contracts, not treaties, but they include the government protection for the contracts. American Government Protection. Risk management is part of every activity. Your physical well being is protected by a seat belt. Your insurance company's fiscal well being is protected by mandating that you buckle up. The fiscal well being of Wal Mart within the jurisdiction is assured by Government. The government prosecutes thieves, Not Wal Mart. Chevron does buisness in foreign oil fields. Their fiscal protection is, or should be, dependent on the government that has jurisdiction over the land the oil field is on. It is not the responsibility of the US government to protect you or me from arrest if we are in Portugal and commit a crime. It is not the responsibility of the US government to protect Chevron either. Should Islam attempt to force its jurisdiction on the US, I would be amoung the first to take up arms to stop them. Same if Iraq made the attempt. Al Qaeda comes as a destroyer. That you have right. It does not come as a conquerer.
Al Qaeda is a genuine threat to our safety. Extradition is a reality, even where no treaty exists. Afghanistan Refused to extradite Bin Laden. Who did we want Iraq to extradite?
We had a tenuous right to enter Afghanistan to capture bin Laden. WE HAD NO RIGHT TO ENTER IRAQ FOR ANY REASON.
The fact they are, or were suspected of being armed is not a reason. We stopped the investigation and destruction of potential Prohibited Weapons. And then took military action claiming that Iraq was not disarmed as required by the cease fire agreement. What we did was LYNCH Iraq.
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Originally posted by EdEKit:
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Originally posted by imho:
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Originally posted by EdEKit:
...When, exactly, did this murderous rage begin? Did Hamas pop up on the planet one afternoon? Were a few folk sitting around drinking tea one sunny Wednesday and suddenly decide to rampage against non Muslims? Was there a sudden overwhelming mental illness visited upon about a billion people on the 7th of december 1952?


When? Forever - read your Bible. Filtered down through the ages. The hate that was once for the Jews now includes us.
If you are implying that all hate toward us is due to us being the aggressor then you don't know much about history.
Are you justifying the terrorists attack of 9/11 because we were not nice to the muslims?

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Originally posted by EdEKit:
Where is the foundation for that statement? "The only peace for extremists is to kill us all." It seems to me that your solution, "kill them before they kill us" is the same as what you say their solution is. Hitler called it the "Final Solution." I call it the "Hell's Angels" strategy, kill everybody, let God sort it out. I DON'T MUCH CARE FOR THAT PLAN.


NO - I said what I said. THEIR only peace is if we are all dead. Don't put words in my mouth!
If they would be civil we wouldn't need to keep after them.

What do you think would happen if the US just backed out of every other country and said we are just going to stay at home and protect ourselves - good luck to the rest of you?


The Devil is in the details. Detail one, what do you mean if we backed out? Do you mean ending US protection of US corporations doing business under the jurisdiction of foreign governments? Wal Mart is effectively making treaties with China. They are not binding on the US, so they are contracts, not treaties, but they include the government protection for the contracts. American Government Protection. Risk management is part of every activity. Your physical well being is protected by a seat belt. Your insurance company's fiscal well being is protected by mandating that you buckle up. The fiscal well being of Wal Mart within the jurisdiction is assured by Government. The government prosecutes thieves, Not Wal Mart. Chevron does buisness in foreign oil fields. Their fiscal protection is, or should be, dependent on the government that has jurisdiction over the land the oil field is on. It is not the responsibility of the US government to protect you or me from arrest if we are in Portugal and commit a crime. It is not the responsibility of the US government to protect Chevron either. Should Islam attempt to force its jurisdiction on the US, I would be amoung the first to take up arms to stop them. Same if Iraq made the attempt. Al Qaeda comes as a destroyer. That you have right. It does not come as a conquerer.
Al Qaeda is a genuine threat to our safety. Extradition is a reality, even where no treaty exists. Afghanistan Refused to extradite Bin Laden. Who did we want Iraq to extradite?
We had a tenuous right to enter Afghanistan to capture bin Laden. WE HAD NO RIGHT TO ENTER IRAQ FOR ANY REASON.
The fact they are, or were suspected of being armed is not a reason. We stopped the investigation and destruction of potential Prohibited Weapons. And then took military action claiming that Iraq was not disarmed as required by the cease fire agreement. What we did was LYNCH Iraq.


Well said, Ed.

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