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Originally posted by elinterventor01:
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Originally posted by Karl Leuba:
Republican men are happier because -- wait for it -- IGNORANCE IS BLISS.
Republican men are happier because -- wait for it -- they think a double wide and a 5 year old pickup truck is "middle class living."
-- Tea Parties are not "so gay" any more.
-- they think life in the fast lane is watching cars go fast in circles.
-- all those good looking women are already taken, but they are taken by Republican Men. Hope Springs Eternal


NY Times/CBS poll shows tea partiers are better educated and more affluent than average. It appears your intel on tea partiers is in error.


And have people like Victoria Jackson speaking/singing at the rallies. They must be so proud.
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Originally posted by Buttercup:
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Originally posted by elinterventor01:
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Originally posted by Karl Leuba:
Republican men are happier because -- wait for it -- IGNORANCE IS BLISS.
Republican men are happier because -- wait for it -- they think a double wide and a 5 year old pickup truck is "middle class living."
-- Tea Parties are not "so gay" any more.
-- they think life in the fast lane is watching cars go fast in circles.
-- all those good looking women are already taken, but they are taken by Republican Men. Hope Springs Eternal


NY Times/CBS poll shows tea partiers are better educated and more affluent than average. It appears your intel on tea partiers is in error.


And have people like Victoria Jackson speaking/singing at the rallies. They must be so proud.


Liberals listened to her for years on SNL. I guess they were so proud, too!
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Originally posted by elinterventor01:
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Originally posted by Buttercup:
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Originally posted by elinterventor01:
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Originally posted by Karl Leuba:
Republican men are happier because -- wait for it -- IGNORANCE IS BLISS.
Republican men are happier because -- wait for it -- they think a double wide and a 5 year old pickup truck is "middle class living."
-- Tea Parties are not "so gay" any more.
-- they think life in the fast lane is watching cars go fast in circles.
-- all those good looking women are already taken, but they are taken by Republican Men. Hope Springs Eternal


NY Times/CBS poll shows tea partiers are better educated and more affluent than average. It appears your intel on tea partiers is in error.


And have people like Victoria Jackson speaking/singing at the rallies. They must be so proud.


Liberals listened to her for years on SNL. I guess they were so proud, too!


Who says all liberals listened to her on SNL (I'm not a liberal btw)? She's not funny and is actually annoying. Not sure what Lorne Michaels was thinking when he hired her.
Would you rather have this:

Janeane Garofalo:
In April 2009, Garofalo drew criticism when she denounced the Tea Party protests, saying:
“ Let's be very honest about what this is about. This is not about bashing Democrats. It's not about taxes. They have no idea what the Boston Tea Party was about. They don't know their history at all. It's about hating a black man in the White House. That is racism straight up. This is nothing but a bunch of teabagging rednecks.[17] ”

In response to the controversy Garofalo has continued to criticize Tea Party protesters, and has been reported to open her shows with "If there's any tea baggers here, welcome, and as always, white power."[18]


You sound veeery liberal.
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Originally posted by Buttercup:
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Originally posted by elinterventor01:
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Originally posted by Buttercup:
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Originally posted by elinterventor01:
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Originally posted by Karl Leuba:
Republican men are happier because -- wait for it -- IGNORANCE IS BLISS.
Republican men are happier because -- wait for it -- they think a double wide and a 5 year old pickup truck is "middle class living."
-- Tea Parties are not "so gay" any more.
-- they think life in the fast lane is watching cars go fast in circles.
-- all those good looking women are already taken, but they are taken by Republican Men. Hope Springs Eternal


NY Times/CBS poll shows tea partiers are better educated and more affluent than average. It appears your intel on tea partiers is in error.


And have people like Victoria Jackson speaking/singing at the rallies. They must be so proud.


Liberals listened to her for years on SNL. I guess they were so proud, too!


Who says all liberals listened to her on SNL (I'm not a liberal btw)? She's not funny and is actually annoying. Not sure what Lorne Michaels was thinking when he hired her.


She was on SNL for six years. SNL's main audience is liberal to left. Do the progression! As to you not being liberal! Then, is it progressive! Don't say libertarian, as you would just embarrass yourself.
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Originally posted by elinterventor01:
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Originally posted by Buttercup:
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Originally posted by elinterventor01:
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Originally posted by Buttercup:
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Originally posted by elinterventor01:
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Originally posted by Karl Leuba:
Republican men are happier because -- wait for it -- IGNORANCE IS BLISS.
Republican men are happier because -- wait for it -- they think a double wide and a 5 year old pickup truck is "middle class living."
-- Tea Parties are not "so gay" any more.
-- they think life in the fast lane is watching cars go fast in circles.
-- all those good looking women are already taken, but they are taken by Republican Men. Hope Springs Eternal


NY Times/CBS poll shows tea partiers are better educated and more affluent than average. It appears your intel on tea partiers is in error.


And have people like Victoria Jackson speaking/singing at the rallies. They must be so proud.


Liberals listened to her for years on SNL. I guess they were so proud, too!


Who says all liberals listened to her on SNL (I'm not a liberal btw)? She's not funny and is actually annoying. Not sure what Lorne Michaels was thinking when he hired her.


She was on SNL for six years. SNL's main audience is liberal to left. Do the progression! As to you not being liberal! Then, is it progressive! Don't say libertarian, as you would just embarrass yourself.


Okay, you're right. No Republicans ever watched SNL at any time since it hit the air in 1975. Makes sense.

You know, I've never attacked you personally, but you have attacked me, specifically calling me feeble brained. So either what I say gets under your skin or you aren't thick-skinned. Weren't you in the military?

Look, grandpa, bottom line: Don't assume you know anything about me. Capish? Just try to argue with facts alone.
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Originally posted by Buttercup:
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i don't understand why you women whine about equality.. why would you want to drop in status to come down to equal?
women are in charge, period. no matter what men delude themselves with, or what pitiful excuses they use to puff up their own ego, women are in charge, in this country, as well as most others.

it's very simple.
if you have a football stadium with 100 000 single men present, and if one woman shows up the men are outnumbered.
why? because only that one woman knows if she is going to be having sex that evening, while the 100k men just have to wonder and hope.
men have been fooling themselves into thinking they are the king of their castle for several decades now, just because they can't cope with the idea the yaren't in charge anymore.

so.. why would you want to come down to have equality?


Seriously, I have no idea what you're saying with this, but it did make me laugh, so thanks.


you're welcome

what i was saying is that if you look at things, there's funny to be found everywhere. even in equality between the sexes.
what i was also saying was this:
40 years ago, a woman couldn't get an education as a vet. today, there isn't a form of employment in this country that a woman can't do, or at least do the female version of.
(by which i mean, it'd be a bit silly to hire a woman for , say, a model for male underwear... or a product tester for a new 'male enhancement' vitamin.. that kinda thing. but how many men do you see in the voctoria's secret catalogs?)
for a long time, after being treated as 2nd class people ( which was wrong) women in general over compensated and insisted on being treated like fine china, being treated as better than equal, while still insisting on all the perks being female. then the feminists came along. they made a man showing manners out to be equivelent to a caveman out 'clubbing' on date night
finally, after years of over reacting by the feminazi's, it's starting to be ok for a man to open a door for a lady again. once, in my 20's, i opened and held a door for a lady who was walking into the store just a couple steps behind me. i was raised to believe you held a door for a lady.
she cussed me and insulted me, called me a sexist pig and told me she, and every other woman, was capable of opening their own doors.
i called her a very bad name, stepped on her ugly sensable shoe, and went into the store and closed the door in her face.
there ya go. equality. i tried to treat her as superior, more important, respectfully.
she was obnoxious and abusive to me, so i was obnoxious and abusive back.
equality. Smiler
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so anyway.. my point was...
women get the same jobs men do (or they call a lawyer)
while men are expected to make the move to ask the girl out, drive to her house and pick her up, drive her home after the date is over, all of which is paid for by the man, and then he's expected to call her back after a little while to show he's still interested and he enjoyed the evening with her, and if he didn't open doors for her, and offer a hand to help her out of the car, then he's a mannerless cad who won't be getting a 2nd date.
even married couples with a joint account, tho the money comes out of one big pile, it's the husbands wallet that's opened.
that's fine. that's exactly as it SHOULD be.
but i'm a little tired of women demanding equality, while refusing to make the steps to equality themselves.
who paid for the last date you went on? who asked who out? who picked up who? and the last few before that?


i can't help what it was like 40 years ago. i'm sorry it was horrible and that people sucked.
but we're here now, and i know that women are not treated equally, they are treated better.

i'm sure there ARE cases where an equally qualified, trained, educated woman is paied less than the traied educated qualified male hired in with her. yes, that's wrong. if the two people are equally capable, they should recieve equal pay.
but even with that, now that many household have the primary monkeymaker being the woman, but if the guy elects to stay home and do the househusband thing, he's viewed as lazy and mooching and shiftless and many other words as well. because of inequality in the other direction.
maybe one day, we'll have perfect equality, but i don't want it. i want to open the door for my lady, to hand her out of the car, to bring her flowers because i was thinking of her. i want to pamper her.
so.. you go on and get all the equality you want, i'm going to go right on treating women as superior.

(sorry this rambled so much.. was dealing with kids and cooking dinner while a wrote it)
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Originally posted by Sam:
It seems common sense is no longer the quality that is in shortest supply. Sense of humor has now taken the lead.


Tell me about it. The libs don't know how to have a laugh do they? Also, by reading their assumptions it's clear they don't know anything about me. For the rest of us, I'm glad you had a good laugh.
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Originally posted by Buttercup:
Got to be one of the most ignorant - not to mention sexist - threads I've ever read. ferrellj, I almost never agree with you but at least I had some respect for your opinions....until now.

So I guess, as a woman, I'll respond in a way you can understand.

I can sum up my reaction with a famous quote from Judge Judy: "Beauty fades. Dumb is forever." Let's compare these ladies, shall we?

In the Republican corner:

Sarah Palin - Caribou Barbie graduated from the University of Idaho, communications major; can't name ONE Founding Father (Glenn Beck interview) or a major news publication (disastrous Katie Couric interview). Miss Wasilla also writes on her hand to remember important talking points like energy policy and tax cuts, oh and lifting America's spirit.

Angie Harmon - Is she still an actress? Funny, haven't seen her on anything lately. Oh, right, she's married to a football player or something. Fantastic accomplishment!

Laura Ingraham - Is hostile towards everyone that doesn't think and believe exactly as she does (including following Catholicism). Hypocrite: Was against all bailouts except the one for GM. Could that have anything to do with GM being one of the sponsors of her radio show? Hmmmm. Frequently advocates "family values" yet adopted two children without benefit of marriage; her children have no father. Oh, she also dated Keith Olbermann. Wink

Carrie Prejean - Hahahahaha! I refer back to Judge Judy's quote.

Elizabeth Hasselbeck - Boston College, fine arts; bimbo who can't argue a political point, but can talk all day about Dolce and Gabbana handbags. Also married to a football player.

Janine Turner - Another actress without much work since Northern Exposure went off the air about 15 years ago. Her opinion is relevant, if you're in need of information about dry eyes. Big Grin

The Democrats:
(Note: The accomplishments for these ladies are too numerous to post; google them sometime and compare with the ladies above.) Wink

Michelle Obama - Princeton University (cum laude); Harvard Law School, J.D.

Janet Reno - Cornell University, chemistry; Harvard Law School; first female Attorney General of the United States.

Nancy Pelosi - Trinity College, political science; first female Speaker of the House

Helen Thomas - First female officer of the National Press Club; first female member and president of the White House Correspondents Association; has covered presidents longer than most of us have been alive.

Madeline Albright - Wellesley College, political science; Columbia University (Masters of Arts and Doctor of Philosophy); first female U.S. Secretary of State

Hillary Clinton - Wellesley College, political science (again Wink Big Grin); Yale Law School, J.D.; current U.S. Secretary of State


Sexist? Of course not. Trying to get on the liberal lefts nerves, anytime I can. It looks like it worked. Was it an ignorant thread? Borderline. Why did you feel compelled to attack the Republican women I posted? Do you wear makeup? Lipstick? Do you have your hair done? Do you wear nice clothes? If you answered yes to any of these can I ask you why? There is nothing wrong with a woman looking good. I heard God made women pretty so us men would be attracted to them. I heard God made women dumb so they would be attracted to us men. Now that may be sexist. Big Grin
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Originally posted by Buttercup:
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Originally posted by elinterventor01:
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Originally posted by Buttercup:
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Originally posted by elinterventor01:
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Originally posted by Buttercup:
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Originally posted by elinterventor01:
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Originally posted by Karl Leuba:
Republican men are happier because -- wait for it -- IGNORANCE IS BLISS.
Republican men are happier because -- wait for it -- they think a double wide and a 5 year old pickup truck is "middle class living."
-- Tea Parties are not "so gay" any more.
-- they think life in the fast lane is watching cars go fast in circles.
-- all those good looking women are already taken, but they are taken by Republican Men. Hope Springs Eternal


NY Times/CBS poll shows tea partiers are better educated and more affluent than average. It appears your intel on tea partiers is in error.


And have people like Victoria Jackson speaking/singing at the rallies. They must be so proud.


Liberals listened to her for years on SNL. I guess they were so proud, too!


Who says all liberals listened to her on SNL (I'm not a liberal btw)? She's not funny and is actually annoying. Not sure what Lorne Michaels was thinking when he hired her.


She was on SNL for six years. SNL's main audience is liberal to left. Do the progression! As to you not being liberal! Then, is it progressive! Don't say libertarian, as you would just embarrass yourself.


Okay, you're right. No Republicans ever watched SNL at any time since it hit the air in 1975. Makes sense.

You know, I've never attacked you personally, but you have attacked me, specifically calling me feeble brained. So either what I say gets under your skin or you aren't thick-skinned. Weren't you in the military?

Look, grandpa, bottom line: Don't assume you know anything about me. Capish? Just try to argue with facts alone.



butternut,

I not see where I whined or otherwise, in a thin skinned way. SNL was quite popular, at one time. After Woody Allen ran it into the ground, I lost interest. Rarely see it now. From its time slot and demographics, I assume its mainly for your liberals who enjoy snarky humor and have nothing better to do on Saturday night.
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Originally posted by tcf531:
you have to remember butter, that feralj is a republican, they like their women barefoot, pregnant and dumb as dirt.



Amen!! Money can do wonders for women that needs repairs like some of those republican women who are only robots to their men. Watch the Stepford Wives. Republican women are zombie-like Stepford wives.
thenagel,

You're killing me! I think you should make some cds of your own and sell them. Funny stuff! LOL!

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Women in general overcompensated and insisted on being treated like fine china.


Yes, that is a very broad generalization. It's like saying all black people are great at dancing and singing when they are individuals who may or may not dance and sing well. LOL! What women insisted on being treated like "fine china"? I don't know any. I never have; none of my friends ever have. We just want to be treated equally in every way: offered the same jobs and promotions based on merit; valued for our contributions; paid the same (which is still not happening).

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The feminists came along and made a man showing manners out to be the equivalent to a caveman out clubbing on date night.


Yes, you've accurately summed up what the women's movement was about with that. Women just got sick and tired of males having manners and opening doors for them all the time. To quote (and paraphrase) the movie Network: "They were mad as heck and weren't going to take it anymore!" Hahahaha!

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I'm sure there ARE cases where an equally qualified, trained, educated woman is paid less than the trained, educated, qualified male hired in her eyes. Yes, that's wrong. If the two people are equally capable, they should receive equal pay.


Oh, there are cases alright, but just a few. Almost never happens. Ask any woman who works in a professional field, she'll tell you that's a bunch of blah blah and she can live with it as long as no man within 50 miles dares to open the door for her!

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but even with that, now many households have the primary monkeymaker being the woman, but if the guy elects to stay home and do the househusband thing, he's viewed as lazy and mooching


I know of no woman who would view a male staying home to care for his children as lazy, mooching, etc. But I do know OTHER MEN would view it that way. You see, you men define yourselves almost 100% by your jobs. So if you elected to stay home with children while your wife works, your wife's female friends would applaud the move while your male friends would more than likely do the name calling. Wink And many people find themselves in that very situation now out of necessity due to the lack of available jobs.
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Originally posted by ferrellj:
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Originally posted by Buttercup:
Got to be one of the most ignorant - not to mention sexist - threads I've ever read. ferrellj, I almost never agree with you but at least I had some respect for your opinions....until now.

So I guess, as a woman, I'll respond in a way you can understand.

I can sum up my reaction with a famous quote from Judge Judy: "Beauty fades. Dumb is forever." Let's compare these ladies, shall we?

In the Republican corner:

Sarah Palin - Caribou Barbie graduated from the University of Idaho, communications major; can't name ONE Founding Father (Glenn Beck interview) or a major news publication (disastrous Katie Couric interview). Miss Wasilla also writes on her hand to remember important talking points like energy policy and tax cuts, oh and lifting America's spirit.

Angie Harmon - Is she still an actress? Funny, haven't seen her on anything lately. Oh, right, she's married to a football player or something. Fantastic accomplishment!

Laura Ingraham - Is hostile towards everyone that doesn't think and believe exactly as she does (including following Catholicism). Hypocrite: Was against all bailouts except the one for GM. Could that have anything to do with GM being one of the sponsors of her radio show? Hmmmm. Frequently advocates "family values" yet adopted two children without benefit of marriage; her children have no father. Oh, she also dated Keith Olbermann. Wink

Carrie Prejean - Hahahahaha! I refer back to Judge Judy's quote.

Elizabeth Hasselbeck - Boston College, fine arts; bimbo who can't argue a political point, but can talk all day about Dolce and Gabbana handbags. Also married to a football player.

Janine Turner - Another actress without much work since Northern Exposure went off the air about 15 years ago. Her opinion is relevant, if you're in need of information about dry eyes. Big Grin

The Democrats:
(Note: The accomplishments for these ladies are too numerous to post; google them sometime and compare with the ladies above.) Wink

Michelle Obama - Princeton University (cum laude); Harvard Law School, J.D.

Janet Reno - Cornell University, chemistry; Harvard Law School; first female Attorney General of the United States.

Nancy Pelosi - Trinity College, political science; first female Speaker of the House

Helen Thomas - First female officer of the National Press Club; first female member and president of the White House Correspondents Association; has covered presidents longer than most of us have been alive.

Madeline Albright - Wellesley College, political science; Columbia University (Masters of Arts and Doctor of Philosophy); first female U.S. Secretary of State

Hillary Clinton - Wellesley College, political science (again Wink Big Grin); Yale Law School, J.D.; current U.S. Secretary of State


Sexist? Of course not. Trying to get on the liberal lefts nerves, anytime I can. It looks like it worked. Was it an ignorant thread? Borderline. Why did you feel compelled to attack the Republican women I posted? Do you wear makeup? Lipstick? Do you have your hair done? Do you wear nice clothes? If you answered yes to any of these can I ask you why? There is nothing wrong with a woman looking good. I heard God made women pretty so us men would be attracted to them. I heard God made women dumb so they would be attracted to us men. Now that may be sexist. Big Grin


I'm not going to explain why I responded (you say "attacked") the way I did yet again. If you can't bother reading, I won't bother re-posting.

Why do you feel the need to get on the liberal left's nerves? They bother you that much, huh? And what you post doesn't bother me, personally, because it's the same old rhetoric you're known for.

Both the Politics and News sections always have the same topics with the same like-minded, undiverse posters, offering the same cookie-cutter responses. Yawn. It's actually rather boring, especially when compared to other forums I visit where the input is usually thoughtful and intelligent. And original.

This particular thread bothered me because, again, it is blatantly ignorant and I try to educate and correct ignorance where I can. It's clear that it will never work with some people in this part of Alabama. Oh, well. Hope you enjoyed church, followed by the all-you-can-eat buffet (where your misbehaving grandchild probably got a whoopin') and Talladega yesterday at any rate.

Now to your questions. First, where on this thread did I say there was anything wrong with a woman looking good? Point it out, please. I said there is something wrong with a woman being judged for her looks - and not her accomplishments - in 2010. Yes, I sometimes wear makeup, but not all of the time. I eat right, exercise and am smart enough to stay out of the sun (except just to get some vitamin D). So I have good skin and no wrinkles; time has been kind so far. (Not that any of that matters.) Roll Eyes

You can keep wrongly accusing me of lacking a sense of humor - and you have no idea how wrong you are - but the pictures just aren't funny. Just a desperate attack on female democrats because I suppose even you are tired of the same old stuff you post on here over and over again.

I just wonder how many of you right-wingers were laughing at Tina Fey's caustic, razor-sharp (and funny) impression of Mrs. Palin's blunders on the SNL skits. Let me guess. You didn't laugh but called it an attack from the lefties. Awwwww, what's the matter? You didn't have a sense of humor then I'll BETCHA!
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Originally posted by elinterventor01:
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Originally posted by Buttercup:
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Originally posted by elinterventor01:
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Originally posted by Buttercup:
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Originally posted by elinterventor01:
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Originally posted by Buttercup:
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Originally posted by elinterventor01:
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Originally posted by Karl Leuba:
Republican men are happier because -- wait for it -- IGNORANCE IS BLISS.
Republican men are happier because -- wait for it -- they think a double wide and a 5 year old pickup truck is "middle class living."
-- Tea Parties are not "so gay" any more.
-- they think life in the fast lane is watching cars go fast in circles.
-- all those good looking women are already taken, but they are taken by Republican Men. Hope Springs Eternal


NY Times/CBS poll shows tea partiers are better educated and more affluent than average. It appears your intel on tea partiers is in error.


And have people like Victoria Jackson speaking/singing at the rallies. They must be so proud.


Liberals listened to her for years on SNL. I guess they were so proud, too!


Who says all liberals listened to her on SNL (I'm not a liberal btw)? She's not funny and is actually annoying. Not sure what Lorne Michaels was thinking when he hired her.


She was on SNL for six years. SNL's main audience is liberal to left. Do the progression! As to you not being liberal! Then, is it progressive! Don't say libertarian, as you would just embarrass yourself.


Okay, you're right. No Republicans ever watched SNL at any time since it hit the air in 1975. Makes sense.

You know, I've never attacked you personally, but you have attacked me, specifically calling me feeble brained. So either what I say gets under your skin or you aren't thick-skinned. Weren't you in the military?

Look, grandpa, bottom line: Don't assume you know anything about me. Capish? Just try to argue with facts alone.



butternut,

I not see where I whined or otherwise, in a thin skinned way. SNL was quite popular, at one time. After Woody Allen ran it into the ground, I lost interest. Rarely see it now. From its time slot and demographics, I assume its mainly for your liberals who enjoy snarky humor and have nothing better to do on Saturday night.


Wrong, gramps!

I've got something better to "do" on a Saturday night. Just ask my husband.

Now that's funny. Big Grin
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Originally posted by btchpls50m:
So butternut, I'll chime in as you say.

You are spoiled and selfish. You claim to be a feminist but hate being accused of looking ugly. You don't want men to have manners or treat you as a woman, but you also don't want to rejected by men or thought ugly. Your political view is ridiculous. You want to put the terrorists in 'time-out' instead of blowing the crap out of them. You are a progressive liberal who thinks the Tea Party is a bunch of ignorant white trash rednecks and uneducated. You brag about making more money than others and belittle any one else's education or job. You have no idea what caused the housing market crash or seem to be unaware of the fact the the WH under GW asked Congress to rein in Fannie and Freddie 16 times. You make fun of any one older than you and yet forget those men and women are the reason you can be such a brat.

OK, I'm done.

Now, you have a good night little one.


Somebody got under your skin didn't she?

Yes, I belittle others' education and income level and brag about having two degrees....Oh wait, that's not me; that's you. I've never felt the need to talk about my education level, much less brag about it. You do for some reason.

I've never said I'm a feminist or hate being accused of being ugly. Also never said I didn't want men to have manners and treat me as a woman. How well did you do in reading comprehension? I'm guessing not well.

LOL! I don't know where you got I have no idea what caused the housing market crash (Were we talking about that on here?). But I know exactly what happened. You see, I read publications like Time and Newsweek. You know, the ones Miss Wasilla couldn't remember in the Couric interview.

Yes, the WH under Bush did try to reign in Fanny and Freddie; I'm aware. But did he reign in risky derivatives trading on Wall Street? Did he force investment banks to come clean to customers and stockholders about what they were investing in - worthless ARM loans?

You see, I'm not what you've pegged me to be. But then again I couldn't possibly care any less what you think of me or anything else, btch!
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Originally posted by Buttercup:
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Originally posted by btchpls50m:
So butternut, I'll chime in as you say.

You are spoiled and selfish. You claim to be a feminist but hate being accused of looking ugly. You don't want men to have manners or treat you as a woman, but you also don't want to rejected by men or thought ugly. Your political view is ridiculous. You want to put the terrorists in 'time-out' instead of blowing the crap out of them. You are a progressive liberal who thinks the Tea Party is a bunch of ignorant white trash rednecks and uneducated. You brag about making more money than others and belittle any one else's education or job. You have no idea what caused the housing market crash or seem to be unaware of the fact the the WH under GW asked Congress to rein in Fannie and Freddie 16 times. You make fun of any one older than you and yet forget those men and women are the reason you can be such a brat.

OK, I'm done.

Now, you have a good night little one.


Somebody got under your skin didn't she?

Yes, I belittle others' education and income level and brag about having two degrees? Oh wait, that's not me; that's you. I've never felt the need to talk about my education level, much less brag about it. You do for some reason.

I've never said I'm a feminist or hate being accused of being ugly. Also never said I didn't want men to have manners and treat me as a woman. How well did you do in reading comprehension? I'm guessing not well.

LOL! I don't know where you got I have no idea what caused the housing market crash (Were we talking about that on here?). But I know exactly what happened. You see, I read publications like Time and Newsweek. You know, the ones Miss Wasilla couldn't remember in the Couric interview.

Yes, the WH under Bush did try to rein in Fanny and Freddie; I'm aware. But did he reign in risky derivatives trading on Wall Street? Did he force investment banks to come clean to customers and stockholders about what they were investing in - worthless ARM loans?

You see, I'm not what you've pegged me to be. But then again I couldn't possibly care what you think of me or anything else, btch!


Well, I changed it too late.

Glad you don't care what I think, it makes us even. You are still way off but that's OK. You said you make more money than others on here. You were offended when I suggested you look like Albright, yet you said beauty should not be an issue in 2010. You said the Taliban was a political movement, which is like calling the Nazi SS a political movement. I brought up my education after you challenged me on it. Now you need to admit that you are a liberal instead of trying to claim otherwise. FWIW, agreeing with nobluedog is not a good idea. He's a troll.

So, do you work in banking and can describe derivatives? Can you describe Sarbanes-Oxley? How about the tax changes in 2003 that gave an extra 10% bottom layer so all would get a tax cut?

What do you do for a living butternut?
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Originally posted by Buttercup:
thenagel,

You're killing me! I think you should make some cds of your own and sell them. Funny stuff! LOL!



the whole thing was an over generalzation, because without specific cases and tons of information all one can do on this type of topic is generalize.

here's a specific case. my wife used to be in lower management in a local branch of a large chain store. while she was there, a guy came in to be trained as a manager in another store someplace else. while he was there the store manager (a woman) found out through accident that this guy hired in making more than she was being paied after 5 years with the company (in another position). she told the asst. manager ( a woman ) who told my wife.

they were less than happy.

as it turns out, they found out after he had moved to his new store, the guy had a BA in buisness, and had 7 years prior experiance in upper management in a similar company. none of the women who were complaining about the unfairness of the paychecks had a degree in anything, and the longest time any of them had in mngt. experiance was the asst. mngr with 3 years.

so, who should have been making more money? the women who'd been there longer, but with no degrees and little experiance, or the new guy with a degree and twice the experiance?

i'm sure that some of the women complaining about unequal pay are in situations just like that. that guy is new, but he makes more than me, therefore it isn't fair. i know that the asst. mngr didn't let the fact the guy was a lot more educated and qualified stop her from complaining about him making mroe than she did. my wife said ' Oh.. well, it makes sense, then. i dunno what the store mngr thought about it, she never brought it up as far as i know.

i'm also sure that some of the cases are exactly what you say they are.
haven't i been agreeing with you this whole time? haven't i said 'and that's wrong?' have i not said over and over that women should be allowed to do any job they are qualified for, and recieve equal pay for it?
haven't i even said that women aren't "equal" they are better?


so.. you never wanted to be treated exceptionally, neither did any of your friends, and none of you ever spoke or thought poor about a stay at home dad.

ok. happy for you. because, in general, i've seen the opposite. i've spent time as a stay at home dad. i've had one of my wife's mothers friends (a woman) say to me ' how does she let you just lay around all day and not throw you out? if my husband had been a bum like you he'd have spent the rest of his life sleeping in the dog house"
to top it all off, i don't know the woman. no idea what her name was. had never seen her before, haven't seen her since. but because a woman i didn't know came up to me and said something like that it tell me that the situation had been discussed, at least enough to share the info.

and speaking of generalizations.. maybe some men do, but i do not and never have defined myself with my job. a job is a job. it's a way to pay bills. a means to an end. i also do not drool over fancy expensive or powerful cars. a car is a means to get from point a to point b. does it run? is it reliable? if the answer to both of those is yes, then it's a good car.


maybe there is gender inequality. i can't help that. there isn't any here, in my house. i can't help it if you face it every day, other than to say ' sorry '.

yes, i distilled the womans movement a bit, but having not lived through it, not being a woman, and having the opinion that all people - men women, black , white, gay, straight, muslim, christian, whatever - are equal, i really don't know a lot about it other than some women wanted to be treated equally, which is fine, and other women went nuts over the idea and tried to force the use of words like 'personhole cover' and fireperson', which is just silly. would that make a mailman a personperson?
(carlin, i think)

you see, inequality, in any form, doesn't affect me. all people are equal. regardless of race, gender religion or creed, or position or status, and i treat them as such. barack obama (or george bush, if you don't like obama) is no better than the little old lady that lives down the street from me. i have a flamingly homosexual friend that lives way up north, and he is no less of a person than oprah or the queen of england. i guess that'd make my gay friend the queen of new england? ok. sorry.. nevermind Smiler

odd that the only thing you seemed to focus on was the one unpleasent experiance i had with a feminazi about an open door. and odd that you didn't tell us who pays for dinner out with your husband, in general.

and i'm still not sure why you are belittling and making light of me while at no point have i even hinted that women aren't at least equal, and deserved to be treated at least equally, in all things, includeing paychecks.

going away now. sinuss are killing me.
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Originally posted by thenagel:
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Originally posted by Buttercup:
thenagel,

You're killing me! I think you should make some cds of your own and sell them. Funny stuff! LOL!



the whole thing was an over generalzation, because without specific cases and tons of information all one can do on this type of topic is generalize.

here's a specific case. my wife used to be in lower management in a local branch of a large chain store. while she was there, a guy came in to be trained as a manager in another store someplace else. while he was there the store manager (a woman) found out through accident that this guy hired in making more than she was being paied after 5 years with the company (in another position). she told the asst. manager ( a woman ) who told my wife.

they were less than happy.

as it turns out, they found out after he had moved to his new store, the guy had a BA in buisness, and had 7 years prior experiance in upper management in a similar company. none of the women who were complaining about the unfairness of the paychecks had a degree in anything, and the longest time any of them had in mngt. experiance was the asst. mngr with 3 years.

so, who should have been making more money? the women who'd been there longer, but with no degrees and little experiance, or the new guy with a degree and twice the experiance?

i'm sure that some of the women complaining about unequal pay are in situations just like that. that guy is new, but he makes more than me, therefore it isn't fair. i know that the asst. mngr didn't let the fact the guy was a lot more educated and qualified stop her from complaining about him making mroe than she did. my wife said ' Oh.. well, it makes sense, then. i dunno what the store mngr thought about it, she never brought it up as far as i know.

i'm also sure that some of the cases are exactly what you say they are.
haven't i been agreeing with you this whole time? haven't i said 'and that's wrong?' have i not said over and over that women should be allowed to do any job they are qualified for, and recieve equal pay for it?
haven't i even said that women aren't "equal" they are better?


so.. you never wanted to be treated exceptionally, neither did any of your friends, and none of you ever spoke or thought poor about a stay at home dad.

ok. happy for you. because, in general, i've seen the opposite. i've spent time as a stay at home dad. i've had one of my wife's mothers friends (a woman) say to me ' how does she let you just lay around all day and not throw you out? if my husband had been a bum like you he'd have spent the rest of his life sleeping in the dog house"
to top it all off, i don't know the woman. no idea what her name was. had never seen her before, haven't seen her since. but because a woman i didn't know came up to me and said something like that it tell me that the situation had been discussed, at least enough to share the info.

and speaking of generalizations.. maybe some men do, but i do not and never have defined myself with my job. a job is a job. it's a way to pay bills. a means to an end. i also do not drool over fancy expensive or powerful cars. a car is a means to get from point a to point b. does it run? is it reliable? if the answer to both of those is yes, then it's a good car.


maybe there is gender inequality. i can't help that. there isn't any here, in my house. i can't help it if you face it every day, other than to say ' sorry '.

yes, i distilled the womans movement a bit, but having not lived through it, not being a woman, and having the opinion that all people - men women, black , white, gay, straight, muslim, christian, whatever - are equal, i really don't know a lot about it other than some women wanted to be treated equally, which is fine, and other women went nuts over the idea and tried to force the use of words like 'personhole cover' and fireperson', which is just silly. would that make a mailman a personperson?
(carlin, i think)

you see, inequality, in any form, doesn't affect me. all people are equal. regardless of race, gender religion or creed, or position or status, and i treat them as such. barack obama (or george bush, if you don't like obama) is no better than the little old lady that lives down the street from me. i have a flamingly homosexual friend that lives way up north, and he is no less of a person than oprah or the queen of england. i guess that'd make my gay friend the queen of new england? ok. sorry.. nevermind Smiler

odd that the only thing you seemed to focus on was the one unpleasent experiance i had with a feminazi about an open door. and odd that you didn't tell us who pays for dinner out with your husband, in general.

and i'm still not sure why you are belittling and making light of me while at no point have i even hinted that women aren't at least equal, and deserved to be treated at least equally, in all things, includeing paychecks.

going away now. sinuss are killing me.


I wasn't belittling you, and I'm sorry if it came off that way. Just having a little fun. But you were doing way too much generalizing. I was just trying to show you that not all women think alike, just like not all men think alike. You'll see an excellent example of this if you compare my posts to btchpls50's. We both have XX chromosomes, but that's where the similarities end.

For the record:

I don't - and never said as much - think it's right for me to be paid MORE than a male counterpart. If a man has more education and experience, he should get the promotion over me.

I do think men should be gentlemen with manners. My son has manners, and I didn't have to spank him to instill them in him. He's respectful of everyone, always has been. Now would a man-hating mom teach that to her male son, or just write him off out of the womb as some primitive barbarian?

I'm good with a man opening a door for me, though I wouldn't call him a bad name if he didn't. I don't care. There are bigger things to worry about in this world.

When I was dating, I called several guys for dates. Most of the time they paid, but there were times when I paid or we would go Dutch. Big deal! I was by no means a promiscuous girl so it really didn't matter who paid for dinner, if you know what I mean. And I think you do. I had respect for myself then and I have respect for myself now.

I married a wonderful man who thinks of nothing but his family. Yes, he takes care of me but, more importantly, we take care of each other. He would never hit me or cheat on me; I know this for sure. I'm not his subordinate and all decisions are made equally - equally meaning I don't submit to anyone's will. The word "obey" was not included in our vows.

So there. Hope that's definitive enough proof that I'm not a super-feminist, just waiting for every chance I can get to hang a man by his.....pants. Big Grin

Sorry again for talking down. But I was serious when I said I enjoyed your posts; they're amusing and interesting.

Peace.
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Originally posted by Buttercup:
.I married a wonderful man who thinks of nothing but his family. Yes, he takes care of me but, more importantly, we take care of each other. He would never hit me or cheat on me; I know this for sure. I'm not his subordinate and all decisions are made equally - equally meaning I don't submit to anyone's will. The word "obey" was not included in our vows.

So there. Hope that's definitive enough proof that I'm not a super-feminist, just waiting for every chance I can get to hang a man by his.....pants. Big Grin

Sorry again for talking down. But I was serious when I said I enjoyed your posts; they're amusing and interesting.

Peace.


Good Smiler i aim for amusing whenever possible

i've said over and over...

i didn't want a servant. i wanted someone who'd tell me to go to hell, if needed and call me on my BS. i wanted someone with a spine, who'd stand up for her self and for our kids. i wanted a partner, not a puppy.

and we had the precaher guy leave the word 'obey' out as well. love honor and cherish were in there, tho.. she makes that part really easy Smiler
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Originally posted by Karl Leuba:
Republican men are happier because -- wait for it -- IGNORANCE IS BLISS.
Republican men are happier because -- wait for it -- they think a double wide and a 5 year old pickup truck is "middle class living."
-- Tea Parties are not "so gay" any more.
-- they think life in the fast lane is watching cars go fast in circles.
-- all those good looking women are already taken, but they are taken by Republican Men. Hope Springs Eternal


NY Times/CBS poll shows tea partiers are better educated and more affluent than average. It appears your intel on tea partiers is in error.


And have people like Victoria Jackson speaking/singing at the rallies. They must be so proud.


Liberals listened to her for years on SNL. I guess they were so proud, too!


Who says all liberals listened to her on SNL (I'm not a liberal btw)? She's not funny and is actually annoying. Not sure what Lorne Michaels was thinking when he hired her.


She was on SNL for six years. SNL's main audience is liberal to left. Do the progression! As to you not being liberal! Then, is it progressive! Don't say libertarian, as you would just embarrass yourself.


Okay, you're right. No Republicans ever watched SNL at any time since it hit the air in 1975. Makes sense.

You know, I've never attacked you personally, but you have attacked me, specifically calling me feeble brained. So either what I say gets under your skin or you aren't thick-skinned. Weren't you in the military?

Look, grandpa, bottom line: Don't assume you know anything about me. Capish? Just try to argue with facts alone.



butternut,

I not see where I whined or otherwise, in a thin skinned way. SNL was quite popular, at one time. After Woody Allen ran it into the ground, I lost interest. Rarely see it now. From its time slot and demographics, I assume its mainly for your liberals who enjoy snarky humor and have nothing better to do on Saturday night.


Wrong, gramps!

I've got something better to "do" on a Saturday night. Just ask my husband.

Now that's funny. Big Grin



I prefer to let the deluded dwell in their own misery!

As for me, in 2008 and part of last year, you could find me with a lady from the Moulin Rouge. Older, yes! Gramps -- hardly!
Hmmmm...

It seems Mrs. Palin might have an opinion or two on sexism - or perceived sexism. I guess Miss Wasilla can't take a "joke" either. Smiler

http://www.myfoxaustin.com/dpp...world-111709_4615349

Palin wrote this on her Facebook page:

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"The choice of photo for the cover of this week's Newsweek is unfortunate. When it comes to Sarah Palin, this "news" magazine has relished focusing on the irrelevant rather than the relevant. The Runner's World magazine one-page profile for which this photo was taken was all about health and fitness - a subject to which I am devoted and which is critically important to this nation. The out-of-context Newsweek approach is sexist and oh-so-expected by now. If anyone can learn anything from it: it shows why you shouldn't judge a book by its cover, gender, or color of skin. The media will do anything to draw attention - even if out of context."
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This link contains the "Newsweek" photo.

"...many of her supporters criticised as unflattering because it showed her skin pores and a few wrinkles."

Skin pores and a few wrinkles?!?! Horrors! You think that's bad, what about that "cml tow" Wink?

Just no sense of humor.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new...-cover-Newsweek.html


Six months out of date. Still she looks good. Todd is a lucky SOB.
Photographer & Newsweek Violated Contract Using Sarah Palin Photo

Posted on Wednesday, November 18, 2009 4:11:56 PM by MaxCUA

The photographer who shot the picture violated his contract by reselling them to Newsweek. That photographer, Brian Adams, could not immediately be reached, and his agent, Kelly Price, declined to comment, saying, "I keep all of my clients' business private." But a spokeswoman for Runner's World confirms that Adams's contract contained a clause stipulating that his photos of Palin would be under embargo for a period of one year following publication -- meaning until August 2010. "Runner's World did not provide Newsweek with its cover image," the spokeswoman said. "It was provided to Newsweek by the photographer's stock agency, without Runner's World's knowledge or permission." The spokeswoman declined to say whether Runner's World intends to respond to Adams's breach of contract with legal action.

That picture got some people into trouble.
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Photographer & Newsweek Violated Contract Using Sarah Palin Photo

Posted on Wednesday, November 18, 2009 4:11:56 PM by MaxCUA

The photographer who shot the picture violated his contract by reselling them to Newsweek. That photographer, Brian Adams, could not immediately be reached, and his agent, Kelly Price, declined to comment, saying, "I keep all of my clients' business private." But a spokeswoman for Runner's World confirms that Adams's contract contained a clause stipulating that his photos of Palin would be under embargo for a period of one year following publication -- meaning until August 2010. "Runner's World did not provide Newsweek with its cover image," the spokeswoman said. "It was provided to Newsweek by the photographer's stock agency, without Runner's World's knowledge or permission." The spokeswoman declined to say whether Runner's World intends to respond to Adams's breach of contract with legal action.

That picture got some people into trouble.


So what it got some people into trouble? What's your point with that?

Ms. Palin and her friends were OFFENDED by it because it's SEXIST and "unflattering because it showed her skin pores and a few wrinkles." Bwahahahahaha!

See, I knew you guys would sing a different tune with the tables turned. And THAT'S funny!
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So what it got some people into trouble? What's your point with that?

Ms. Palin and her friends were OFFENDED by it because it's SEXIST and "unflattering because it showed her skin pores and a few wrinkles." Bwahahahahaha!

See, I knew you guys would sing a different tune with the tables turned. And THAT'S funny!


i don't think palin has much of a sense of humor either.
everyone thinks they do, until someone put a pair of bunny ears on their hero.
until you can laugh at yourself and your heros just as hard as you laugh at the other side, you don't have a sense of humor, you're just vindictive and amused to see the other guy look bad..

that is one thing i like about obama. he takes time to laugh at himself a little. not enough, but i guess it wouldn't be acceptable for PoTUS to spend 30 minutes with craig ferguson and make a fool of himself while in office.
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Originally posted by btchpls50m:
Sarah did not mind it being used by Runner's World. Newsweek used it to show her to be an airhead and jock.

Come on butter, you're not that dumb.


So THE EXACT SAME PICTURE - skin pores, wrinkles and all - is okay for the cover of Runner's World, but not for the cover of Newsweek?

It's the SAME PICTURE. It doesn't matter whether or not it was on the cover of a pro-exercise magazine or a news magazine. How is it sexist in one context but not in the other? Newsweek is not exactly Playboy.

The hypocrisy of this is absurd, but not surprising.
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The content of the magazine is the point.

You want a bikini shot of yourself in Scientific America or one in a lab coat?

I never heard the wrinkles or pores story, the point is the magazine ran a picture they had no rights to.

Skip your 'holier than thou' hypocrisy hype.


It's the same picture, btchpls50. It's not possible for it to be sexist on the cover of one magazine but be okay on another.

You are only saying this because you want Sarah to put on those sneakers and "run" in 2012. I know.

And if she manages to beat Obama, I'll be making bets with some of my more conservative friends on how long she'll do her job before she quits, just like she quit on Alaska.

If she can't take the pressure and media scrutiny of being Alaska's governor, I give her six months as Commander in Chief before she throws in the towel.

But wait, maybe her quitting the job as governor had less to do with scrutiny and more to do with making money. Yes, that's a sign of a true leader: quit on your state so that you can become a millionaire. Great presidential material there. LOL!

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