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Originally posted by Buttercup:
thenagel,
You're killing me! I think you should make some cds of your own and sell them. Funny stuff! LOL!
the whole thing was an over generalzation, because without specific cases and tons of information all one can do on this type of topic is generalize.
here's a specific case. my wife used to be in lower management in a local branch of a large chain store. while she was there, a guy came in to be trained as a manager in another store someplace else. while he was there the store manager (a woman) found out through accident that this guy hired in making more than she was being paied after 5 years with the company (in another position). she told the asst. manager ( a woman ) who told my wife.
they were less than happy.
as it turns out, they found out after he had moved to his new store, the guy had a BA in buisness, and had 7 years prior experiance in upper management in a similar company. none of the women who were complaining about the unfairness of the paychecks had a degree in anything, and the longest time any of them had in mngt. experiance was the asst. mngr with 3 years.
so, who should have been making more money? the women who'd been there longer, but with no degrees and little experiance, or the new guy with a degree and twice the experiance?
i'm sure that some of the women complaining about unequal pay are in situations just like that. that guy is new, but he makes more than me, therefore it isn't fair. i know that the asst. mngr didn't let the fact the guy was a lot more educated and qualified stop her from complaining about him making mroe than she did. my wife said ' Oh.. well, it makes sense, then. i dunno what the store mngr thought about it, she never brought it up as far as i know.
i'm also sure that some of the cases are exactly what you say they are.
haven't i been agreeing with you this whole time? haven't i said 'and that's wrong?' have i not said over and over that women should be allowed to do any job they are qualified for, and recieve equal pay for it?
haven't i even said that women aren't "equal" they are better?
so.. you never wanted to be treated exceptionally, neither did any of your friends, and none of you ever spoke or thought poor about a stay at home dad.
ok. happy for you. because, in general, i've seen the opposite. i've spent time as a stay at home dad. i've had one of my wife's mothers friends (a woman) say to me ' how does she let you just lay around all day and not throw you out? if my husband had been a bum like you he'd have spent the rest of his life sleeping in the dog house"
to top it all off, i don't know the woman. no idea what her name was. had never seen her before, haven't seen her since. but because a woman i didn't know came up to me and said something like that it tell me that the situation had been discussed, at least enough to share the info.
and speaking of generalizations.. maybe some men do, but i do not and never have defined myself with my job. a job is a job. it's a way to pay bills. a means to an end. i also do not drool over fancy expensive or powerful cars. a car is a means to get from point a to point b. does it run? is it reliable? if the answer to both of those is yes, then it's a good car.
maybe there is gender inequality. i can't help that. there isn't any here, in my house. i can't help it if you face it every day, other than to say ' sorry '.
yes, i distilled the womans movement a bit, but having not lived through it, not being a woman, and having the opinion that all people - men women, black , white, gay, straight, muslim, christian, whatever - are equal, i really don't know a lot about it other than some women wanted to be treated equally, which is fine, and other women went nuts over the idea and tried to force the use of words like 'personhole cover' and fireperson', which is just silly. would that make a mailman a personperson?
(carlin, i think)
you see, inequality, in any form, doesn't affect me. all people are equal. regardless of race, gender religion or creed, or position or status, and i treat them as such. barack obama (or george bush, if you don't like obama) is no better than the little old lady that lives down the street from me. i have a flamingly homosexual friend that lives way up north, and he is no less of a person than oprah or the queen of england. i guess that'd make my gay friend the queen of new england? ok. sorry.. nevermind
odd that the only thing you seemed to focus on was the one unpleasent experiance i had with a feminazi about an open door. and odd that you didn't tell us who pays for dinner out with your husband, in general.
and i'm still not sure why you are belittling and making light of me while at no point have i even hinted that women aren't at least equal, and deserved to be treated at least equally, in all things, includeing paychecks.
going away now. sinuss are killing me.