Originally Posted by disolve:

so this Bill Gray character is a baptist preacher. Where does he preach at? Anyone know? I don't post much for the sake of not arguing with someone looking to pick a fight, but I'd love to attend his pulpit and let his fellow parishioners know of his ideologies and good christian behavior towards others. At least to see him squirm if nothing else.

 

As for wooly, his avatars have caught my attention several times which is good for his cause. It got his posts read. But I don't see that he should be banned for the pure hatred and disagreement of the likes of one Mr. Bill Gray.

 

 

You don't post much? Guess not. This is your first post. Just think, been registered three years and only now has Bill made you mad enough to post.

Originally Posted by Infomercial:
Originally Posted by disolve:
Originally Posted by semiannualchick:

I reported Bill right before I started this topic, which was what gave me the idea for the topic in the first place.

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Keep your fingers crossed, as that one may have just done it. Won't be very hard to find any other alias names/IP links with him being out of Cali...

 

 

disolve, you made your first post five hrs ago and you already want someone banned? Quick judge of character?

 

Sorry, disolve, 14 hours ago.

Originally Posted by Infomercial:

disolve, you made your first post five hrs ago and you already want someone banned? Quick judge of character?

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Far from it 'Infomercial'. Just because I don't post often doesn't mean I'm dumb to the forums nor haven't been keeping up in one way or another. I *NEVER* said i wanted anyone banned. Just commented that someone might have got the action completed. Some of you guys really do let your imaginations run wild on here and transform simple posts into overinflated ego boosts that they think they say something that they don't. Quick judge of character....nah, but only if you say so. <bows down to the holier than thou>

FWIW,

Bill is from California. Easy to check. He has never made another screen name, he likes to be himself. I never agree with him but have never found him to lie about anything. He does rub people the wrong way, but everyone does when they are zealous on a topic.

 

The only reason for banning someone should be harassment and threats.

Originally Posted by b50m:

FWIW,

I never agree with him but have never found him to lie about anything. The only reason for banning someone should be harassment and threats.

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Unless you know Bill on a personal level, how do you know he wouldn't lie? And since you don't know me, how would you know that I would lie? Is it because he claims to be a Christian & I'm not?

 

I agree with your reason for banning someone.

I didn't say you did lie, I said after being on the forums for a lot of years, I have never seen Bill lie. It has nothing to do with religion.

 

I know I have been accused of things I didn't do because a third party set me up. Now that made me and another person both seem like we were lying when we both were telling the truth even though we assumed the other lied.

 

As for the TVT, I doubt they actually listen to anything we say.

I've seen bill lie. Many times. What do you call a lie? He lied about me a few times by stating I did something I most certainly did not do, he lied about obama just a few threads back. Not only has he lied but his "insinuations" are as much as lies although he likes to think he's so clever that he's "sneaking that one in".

I know he can stretch a scripture and he loves to aggravate atheists, but as far as something to do with his family or with the TD site, I have not seen a lie from him. As I said above, what seems like a lie to one may be twisted by a third party. Why would Bill  try to kick Semi off, he loves to have an audience too much. As he said, he did not report DF for the cursing, I think one of the groups who didn't like DF then did.

 

I don't know what he accused you off, I'm just skimming the forums lately. If Semi has proof, she can go to the TVT.

 

I think all of it should have been in private, including the wooly threads. Saying 'I have a dirty picture of your wife' was really stupid of him. Bill has posted pics of him and his wife a few times before, so I think we would all know what they look like.

 

Forums have anonymity for a good reason, it should stay that way.

 Saying 'I have a dirty picture of your wife'

 

 

Where did he say he had a dirty picture of bill's wife? And again, insinuating something about a person, or lying outright about them is not "aggravating". BTW B, bill doesn't aggravate anyone. He does attack, such as he's done to skippy ever since the first day I saw him, constantly belittling his religion, but attacking is just that, an attack, not an aggravation.

It was in the thread taken down. If i remember, Wooly was yelling (all caps) saying someone had sent him a picture of Bill's wife with a dirty caption under it or something like that. Can't remember exactly.

 

Oh I know Bill calls the Mormons a cult, (So does betternu/contendah), Catholics a cult, JW a cult, New Age a cult, etc......

 

And I'm going to Hell. So what? I don't believe the old guy, he's passionate about his religion and he comes across like a buzz saw.

 

Atheists have called me a bad mom, delusional, believing in fairies, irrational, uneducated, backwards, uncaring, brainwashed, etc....

 

And I don't believe them either.

 

It's just a bunch of words on a computer screen that every one forgets the next day.

 

As DF would say, Feh.

b50m, I read that and can't remember either but he said someone sent it to him and said it was Bill's wife. I don't agree with most anything Bill teaches, but I don't think he lies. I would definitely like to know why anyone thinks he has some inside contacts at the Times Daily. I can't imagine why anyone would send a picture of Bill's wife to Dwight in Cherokee. Bill thinks he can eventually convert the atheists so I don't know why he would try to get semi banned. She said she had confidential information. But is she does she should know that Bill doesn't have any real contacts at the paper. It seems like it would work both ways.

It was in the thread taken down. If i remember, Wooly was yelling (all caps) saying someone had sent him a picture of Bill's wife with a dirty caption under it or something like that. Can't remember exactly.

 

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I remember that post about the picture. He said it was a "not nice" picture and on and on. I don't remember the "nasty" part. And "sugapush" bill definately has lied about me. Bill has no desire to convert the atheists. He is playing preacher and all he wants to do is belittle and attack atheists and anyone else that doesn't believe the way he does. He can insinuate or say anything he wants about others but let anyone ask him a question and he calls it an attack. And once more, semi is under no obligation to tell you or anyone else any of her business.

B-I found the post from wooly to bill:

 

quote:

Originally Posted by WoolyBugger:

bILL, i HAVE a picture for you but I dont want to put it here on the public forum, please start a private dialog with me and I will send it to you. If it is who I think it is , you may want to contact the site and demand they drop it or sue them. Then again it might not be your wife.

 

BILL! I AM SERIOUS ABOUT THE PICTURE< I WAS TOLD IT WAS YOUR WIFE AND IT HAS A CAPTION WRITTEN ON IT> THE CAPTION IS NOT NICE AT ALL> I AM NOT SAYING ANYTHING BAD ABOUT YOUR WIFE>IF IT WAS MY WIFE I WOULD WANT TO KNOW ABOUT IT SO I COULD TAKE STEPS TO HAVE IT REMOVED> DO A DIOLOG< I WILL PROVE I AM NOT LYING< I WILL NOT TELL YOU WHO SENT IT> YOU WILL WANT TO CONTACT THE SIGHT IF IT IS YOUR WIFE> I DONT KNOW WHAT YOUR WIFE LOOKS LIKE. AND I DONT KNOW IF IT IS HER BUT I WAS TOLD IT WAS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

NOW, BEFORE YOU GET ME KICKED OUT BECAUSE YOU MISSUNDERSTOOD MY OTHER POST TO YOU, I ASK YOU TO FORWARD THIS ONE TO THE MODS TOO.

Originally Posted by b50m:

Why would Bill  try to kick Semi off, he loves to have an audience too much. As he said, he did not report DF for the cursing, I think one of the groups who didn't like DF then did.

 

If Semi has proof, she can go to the TVT.

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b, I like you, enjoy reading your post & some of them make me laugh, in a feel good way.

Bill himself, several months ago, made the comment that if I didn't behave myself he would have to report me to the mods. He made it sound like a joke but I don't think it was. I've tried to find it but it must be in some of the topics that were deleted when the new format started. Word came to me from a strong source that Bill had recently reported me & I trust this source to know that their info is correct.

I don't care who believes me. I know the truth & so does Bill.

You say if I have proof, I can go to the TVT. If you're talking about the post I reported of Bill accusing Wooley of being a Pedophile, the proof was in the post.

If you're talking about him trying to get me banned, the proof is already there, though I don't know what good that would do. Threatening to get someone banned is not against TD forum rules.

 

Bill does love his audience but he does not like his Bible knowledge being questioned again & again. I've given him scripture over & over, as have others, that's blows his Once Saved, Always Saved theory right out of the window. Those scriptures or questions related to the scripture causes him to run the other way, he will not answer. Bill doesn't like it because I have told him I do not believe he is a Christian. He can tell any of us here we're going to Hell, but no one is supposed to give it back to him.

Bill will take someones words & twist them to be something entirely different. He's done it to several of us many times. Is that not the same as telling a lie about someone? I've shown him proof of words he twisted, but then he runs away & won't answer or makes a comment about "all the children playing in the sandbox".

 

I think I recently read where Bill did say he reported DF one time, for using the F word in a post he made to him. I'll see if I can find it.

Semi,

If you have a source you trust, then that's fine. I don't remember Bill telling you to behave, now that sounds more like a buffalo to me. Bill twists things, but in his mind, he is not twisting them.  All of us have gone round and round. If Bill believes his version, then he is not lying. I don't think he wants any one kicked off, but he might.

 

As for the DF thing, no, Bill did not report it. He reported Gofish.

 

Now, I'm fighting a flu bug, so I will leave it up to you and Best. You have it covered.

 

Later.

Originally Posted by semiannualchick:

       
Originally Posted by b50m:
Now, I'm fighting a flu bug,
Later.
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Sorry to hear that. Hope you feel better soon.


Ditto that b. Use your hand sanitizer and take garlic tabs daily. I haven't had a cold or the flu in almost 8 years and I have contact with the public on a daily basis. I must be doing something right. Get well soon.

Sorry, b. Hope you feel better soon. Off topic, but UNA hosts their free clinic the first week in November. I always get my flu shot there. You have to have three "procedures," so I usually have my blood sugar and cholesterol checked as well. There should be something in the paper to announce the dates.

Originally Posted by FirenzeVeritas:

DF didn't actually use the "F word." He used a statement that swapped first letters, as in saying yamn dankees. The forum was heavily moderated at that time, so I'm not sure if someone actually reported him or not.

Hay.....watch them yamn dankees, ya chippin flooch....

 

...or rumb dednecks...rum deadnecks?...*snicker*

 

A lie is a lie, but there is a difference in 'he lies' and 'what he says is not true'.  If Bill believes what he is saying or insinuating is true, it is not a lie to Bill.  If I believe what he is saying is false, then to me, it is not true.  For me to call it a lie or say Bill lies is to assume that Bill knows what he is saying is not true.  To know that, I would have to be able to read Bill's mind.  He's human and has probably fudged on the truth before...but then, that's most likely true of all of us. 

 

As far as I know, the only name he's ever had is Bill.  We can guess sometimes when someone is very similar, but we don't know unless we have access to Admin controls for TVT...might not be able to prove it even with that, if anybody actually cared enough to try. 

 

For instance, semi, you have quite a bit in common with a member who used to post here under the name Taciturn, but I certainly did not 'know' you were her.  When it came up one time, I am 99% sure that you said that was not the case & that was that.  I know you as semi, beginning with you (semi) joining TVT/TDF to now. 

 

I let the whole whose who thing go...decided my response to a post is going to be the same regardless of who I am talking to...so it makes no difference what user name that person is currently using.  JMHO

Multiple ids are stupid. The only reasons for them is to either attack someone under one name while "keeping up appearances" in another, or so that they and their pals can say, "see, so and so agrees with me that you______________".  Bill has lied about me. Because he does it in a way he thinks is sneaky doesn't matter one bit to me. I have never used more than one id, but he accused me of having another because of the number of posts made in the name I was using at the time. When I pointed out to him that even if I had another id all the posts made would not be connected with just one, and that when you "did the math" he, bill gray, had made way more posts in the time he'd been here as opposed to mine. (Old format when you could figure those things) What did he say after that? There was no "I'm sorry, you're right about that". He let it drop and hoped it would be forgotten for the time being and he could slide it back in again later. Confront bill on something he says, he goes quiet about it. Then later he will make the same false claim, confront him again, he goes quiet again. That is his standard MO.

Originally Posted by _Joy_:
A lie is a lie, but there is a difference in 'he lies' and 'what he says is not true'.  If Bill believes what he is saying or insinuating is true, it is not a lie to Bill.  

 

For instance, semi, you have quite a bit in common with a member who used to post here under the name Taciturn, but I certainly did not 'know' you were her.  When it came up one time, I am 99% sure that you said that was not the case & that was that. 

 

I let the whole whose who thing go...decided my response to a post is going to be the same regardless of who I am talking to...so it makes no difference what user name that person is currently using.  JMHO

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Joy, if I took something you said, twisted it, turned it completely around than the way you said it, & posted it on this forum as something Joy said, have I lied?

Bill does that, not just to me but to others too. When showing Bill what was originally said, & the way he twisted it, he will not answer why he did it or apologize.

 

I’ve never understood the fascination, or why anyone would have a problem with someone coming back with another ID. Who does it hurt? You are closely similar in your post with another person here too, but why would anyone care?

Jenn & I have a lot of thoughts on the same issues, does that mean I’m also Jenn? Of course not.

 

You have 2 friends on this forum that have been rude to me, especially one of them, in their remarks that I was Taciturn. No coming right out & asking, just snide hateful remarks, that I believe was only meant to hurt or put me down. When I answered your friends snide remarks as to if I was or wasn’t the former Taciturn, she refused to answer my question of how it was hurting her.

I don’t understand why or how another ID would affect someone else.

You're right on in that it should make no difference what user name that person is currently using.

 

 

 

Originally Posted by DarkAngel:

How do you tell is someone has been banned?

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Click on a person's ID. That will carry you to their status. On the top right it will say "Last time signed in". Next to that is a star, click on that star & it will tell you if that ID is active or banned.

I can't say that I've ever seen Bill Gray lie on here but then I don't follow his posts regularly so I really wouldn't know if he did I guess. I honestly don't think he has another ID on here either because I think he realizes that would pretty much ruin his credibility. While I do think Bill can come off as being arrogant and a know it all I do believe he means no harm. Go and talk to any Baptist preacher anywhere in the real world and they will tell you the same things he does. He just happens to be on the internet.

Again, this is just my honest opinion. Nothing more. Nothing less.

Well I guess you either don't read my posts or you think I'm lying. He has lied about me, and he even started a thread in which he lied about obama. If you've seen anything I've posted on the politics forum you know I am not in any way an obama supporter, and like I told bill, obama does enough to disagree with without lying about him.  I have been around preachers and other christians and the majority DO NOT talk like bill. There are others out there like bill but they are few and far between. So you can't say any baptist preacher is like bill. Most are quite the opposite. Bill is more like the hardcore, radical, christians in name only, westboro bunch. If he doesn't like something he uses religion as his excuse to discriminate against it. I've seen enough of him to know he does indeed "mean harm" to non-believers and people who believe differently than him. And I'd like to know what unobtanium did to get banned.

I didn't mean to imply that you are lying Jennifer. Like I said I don't follow Bill's posts so it is entirely possible he did. I just said I haven't witnessed it personally.

As for the Baptist preachers of the world, I can only speak of the ones here locally that I have encountered in my lifetime. I don't really see any difference in the things he appears to believe and the things that they appear to believe. Maybe my experiences are limited because it's been many years ago since I was in a church or even talked or socialized with a preacher. I have no desire to do either. As I think most of you know religion is a huge turnoff for me. That is just me though.
Originally Posted by dark dreamer:
I can't say that I've ever seen Bill Gray lie on here but then I don't follow his posts regularly so I really wouldn't know if he did I guess. I honestly don't think he has another ID on here either because I think he realizes that would pretty much ruin his credibility. While I do think Bill can come off as being arrogant and a know it all I do believe he means no harm. Go and talk to any Baptist preacher anywhere in the real world and they will tell you the same things he does. He just happens to be on the internet.
Again, this is just my honest opinion. Nothing more. Nothing less.

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I've seen Bill lie before & when you show him the proof of that lie, he won't answer to it.

Any preacher, not just the Baptist, will quote scripture & tell you what they believe it to mean. I haven't come across any that is as hateful & pushy with it as Bill is.

All the preachers I've come across have love/compassion/kindness mixed in with their messages.  They want to draw you near God and/or their church, not make you run away. It's all about how a person comes across & the delivery of the message.

 

Bill may not mean any harm, he just doesn't care, but he does insist on being correct. There's no room for anything else.

I think Bill's other ID is The Fireman. He doesn't bring him out very often except when he needs a boost.

Originally Posted by b50m:

And I'd like to know what unobtanium did to get banned.


When did that happen?



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A week or so ago. Someone reported one of his post made to Bill and he got banned. I have no idea if it was Bill or not, but with his hatred for Unobtanium and the fact that the post was directed at him, I would vote that Bill did it.

Originally Posted by semiannualchick:
Originally Posted by Bestworking:

Right next to the name. It looks like a gingerbread man to me. ( offline)

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Oh, ok. Mine isn't a little man, it's a star.

If you blow it up Semi, you can see it's a little man.

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