why should the public vote for hillary?

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Originally posted by Liberal Wisenheimer:
Because she's a very smart lady who had a good deal of influence during her husband's administrations. The best eight years in our country's history. It would be nice to have a smart president again.


Very interesting speculation there... I can ALMOST buy into it...

She ran so many Committee's successfully while Bill was President, and that is why she had an easy street to the Senate.

Thing is,... if MORALS is such an issue with the Republican Party, then how on earth is Rudy getting so much support since he is now with Wife #3??? Marriage Vows, according to Conservative Religion, are only broken through death or adultry... HMMMMMMMMM......

lol
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Originally posted by dogsoldier0513:
'Lady' is NOT a term I would use to decribe 'Hitlery'. 'The best eight years in our country's history'? For WHOM? We haven't had a good '8 years' since WWII and the years immediately following it....


Wellll, I wouldn't go so far as to call her Hitlery.. that is a little unfair due to the state our Country is in right now...

Butttttt.... after reading all these comments, and as bad as I HATE to say it... you guys are right... She has NO BUSINESS in the White House again!!!

Dang, I am agreeing with y'all!!!! Smiler And the sky didn't even fall Big Grin
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Originally posted by NashBama:
Americans with common sense won't vote for her. She doesn't stand a chance.


I don't think anyone has anything to worry about, the ONLY good thing she is campaigning about that would help most Americans is Medical Insurance... and any of them could (and I can see that happening) do the same thing.

Hillary, isn't going to even get in the run-offs... just my opinion!! Whatever THAT is worth in Politics, Wink LOL!!!
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I don't think anyone has anything to worry about, the ONLY good thing she is campaigning about that would help most Americans is Medical Insurance... and any of them could (and I can see that happening) do the same thing.

Hillary, isn't going to even get in the run-offs... just my opinion!! Whatever THAT is worth in Politics, LOL!!!


I don't see how giving the government something new to control, a new way to interfere in our personal lives, a new reason to raise taxes, and a new way to waste it can be considered a good thing. Socialize health care and that's what you'll have. If you want less government, don't vote for Hillary.
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Originally posted by NashBama:
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I don't think anyone has anything to worry about, the ONLY good thing she is campaigning about that would help most Americans is Medical Insurance... and any of them could (and I can see that happening) do the same thing.

Hillary, isn't going to even get in the run-offs... just my opinion!! Whatever THAT is worth in Politics, LOL!!!


I don't see how giving the government something new to control, a new way to interfere in our personal lives, a new reason to raise taxes, and a new way to waste it can be considered a good thing. Socialize health care and that's what you'll have. If you want less government, don't vote for Hillary.



I would much rather have Governmental Control over medical insurances than to have kids, grandkids, friends, family members getting killed or maimed in a place that the GOVERNMENT is CONTROLLING us being there, when the vast majority doesn't want to...

Dang Nash... with you one is danged if they do, danged if they don't... Agree with you and you argue, disagree with you and you argue...

Now THAT I do NOT understand!
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Originally posted by dogsoldier0513:
'Lady' is NOT a term I would use to decribe 'Hitlery'. 'The best eight years in our country's history'? For WHOM? We haven't had a good '8 years' since WWII and the years immediately following it....
Gratuitous insult, the first weapon of the RADICAL
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Originally posted by dogsoldier0513:
'Hitlery' totally DESPISES our country's military, and has said so publically. THAT is MORE THAN ENOUGH reason for me to NEVER vote for her....unless she runs for 'Chief Coal Shoveler' in Hell....
GO AWAY SONNY YOU BOTHER ME.
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I would much rather have Governmental Control over medical insurances than to have kids, grandkids, friends, family members getting killed or maimed in a place that the GOVERNMENT is CONTROLLING us being there, when the vast majority doesn't want to...

Dang Nash... with you one is danged if they do, danged if they don't... Agree with you and you argue, disagree with you and you argue...

Now THAT I do NOT understand


I read this three times and I still can't figure it out. Sorry Kindred, no idea what you're talking about here.
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Originally posted by Liberal Wisenheimer:
Because she's a very smart lady who had a good deal of influence during her husband's administrations. The best eight years in our country's history. It would be nice to have a smart president again.
Stick to it and welcome to the fray.

She is a very smart lady. The only downside is "She is a woman." I would love to see her in office. I would Love to see Carol Mosley Braun in office. I THINK THE ELECTORATE would benefit from her being in office. Nancy Pelosi is one of the keys. Good performance, from Pelosi could eliminate the raw prejudice against women leaders. I don't know if one year is enough time. I don't know if Pelosi can do it unless we also see some outstanding work from Others.
The total number of women in State Legislative leadership positions is 62. 47 of them are Democrats. 12 are Republicans. 3 represent third parties. The total number of
democrat Women in State Legislatures is 1,183. The total of Republicans 536. Third Parties are represented by 4 women. Nebraska has a Non Partisan Legislature and 9 women are in it.

9 Women Are governors, three are Republicans, 6 Democrats. 11 Women are Lieutenant Governors. 8 Democrats and 3 Republicans.

4 Women are Attorney Generals. All Democrats.

12 Women are Secretary of State, 7 D, 5 R.

Ten states have Women Treasurers, 6 D, 4 R

None of those numbers reaches anywhere near a majority of office holders.
When you start looking at the only office in the nation that requires a majority of ALL Americans, those numbers can be both encouraging and discouraging.
If you are a Republican Woman looking for political power, you're in the wrong party. If you are a Republican woman looking to have Women representing you, it is time to switch to the Democratic party.
If You are a Male Chauvinist Pig, you might be a Republican.
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Originally posted by NashBama:
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I would much rather have Governmental Control over medical insurances than to have kids, grandkids, friends, family members getting killed or maimed in a place that the GOVERNMENT is CONTROLLING us being there, when the vast majority doesn't want to...

Dang Nash... with you one is danged if they do, danged if they don't... Agree with you and you argue, disagree with you and you argue...

Now THAT I do NOT understand


I read this three times and I still can't figure it out. Sorry Kindred, no idea what you're talking about here.


I should have known that was what you would say... I was referring to my earlier comment, but it doesn't matter, and it doesn't require another reply... I said what I needed to, and from the looks of things, so did you... so no matter now... right?
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Originally posted by EdEKit:
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Originally posted by Liberal Wisenheimer:
Because she's a very smart lady who had a good deal of influence during her husband's administrations. The best eight years in our country's history. It would be nice to have a smart president again.
Stick to it and welcome to the fray.

She is a very smart lady. The only downside is "She is a woman." I would love to see her in office. I would Love to see Carol Mosley Braun in office. I THINK THE ELECTORATE would benefit from her being in office. Nancy Pelosi is one of the keys. Good performance, from Pelosi could eliminate the raw prejudice against women leaders. I don't know if one year is enough time. I don't know if Pelosi can do it unless we also see some outstanding work from Others.
The total number of women in State Legislative leadership positions is 62. 47 of them are Democrats. 12 are Republicans. 3 represent third parties. The total number of
democrat Women in State Legislatures is 1,183. The total of Republicans 536. Third Parties are represented by 4 women. Nebraska has a Non Partisan Legislature and 9 women are in it.

9 Women Are governors, three are Republicans, 6 Democrats. 11 Women are Lieutenant Governors. 8 Democrats and 3 Republicans.

4 Women are Attorney Generals. All Democrats.

12 Women are Secretary of State, 7 D, 5 R.

Ten states have Women Treasurers, 6 D, 4 R

None of those numbers reaches anywhere near a majority of office holders.
When you start looking at the only office in the nation that requires a majority of ALL Americans, those numbers can be both encouraging and discouraging.
If you are a Republican Woman looking for political power, you're in the wrong party. If you are a Republican woman looking to have Women representing you, it is time to switch to the Democratic party.
If You are a Male Chauvinist Pig, you might be a Republican.


Well, I am a female, but if any female in Politics are like the Governor of Louisiana during Katrina, I want NO PART of that!!!! None whatsoever!!

Besides, to be honest, I don't think the Country is ready for a female President... it will be a few more years before that happens... just my humble opinion though.
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Originally posted by interventor:
Pelosi was rather stumble footed in leading the House, but it may be just her "newness" to leadership positions. But, to claim to bring a peace proposal to Syria from Israel and, then, be denied by Olmert, is not real bright.


I actually like Pelosi, but Syria and Peace doesn't belong in the SAME sentence!!!! Syria is like what we conceive typical terrorism, they feel like they are born to war. Sad... but true!!!

I have the problem, and yes, it is a problem, of not KNOWING which Middle East persons are the good guys, and which are the bad guys... I am not meaning that in a racist way, but it is just the truth in my own mind.

Ya see... if you read all about the PILOTS of 9/11, you will find that ALL their neighbors, and working buddies thought they were very nice, very polite, very gentlemenly, very much FAMILY MEN, very religious and very kind!!!! Everyone that crossed their paths were in shock for a very long time that these men could do what they did that day.... so hence is WHY my thoughts were born about the Middle Easterners.... if that makes sense.... Frowner
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Originally posted by NashBama:
Americans with common sense won't vote for her. She doesn't stand a chance.
Please specify the common sense issues that Hillary Clinton is off the mark on?
Does she want to see you keep more of the money you earn? Yes, in fact, she wants to take the insurance premiums you pay away from the million dollar a year MBA's who make medical decisions, and put it into HEALTH services. (that's what national health insurance does.) That's just common sense, UNLESS you are a million a year HMO manager. She wants to take a portion of the money you make for the owner of your company, and put it into care and education for your children while you work to feed and clothe them.
That is just plain common sense.
She wants to take some of the value you produce at a job that was once held or developed by a now retired worker to assure that he has enough to eat, and wear, and a roof over his head that YOU could be proud of.
Common sense says that you should not spend your life making someone else prosperous, and die of starvation when he says, "What have you done for me lately?"
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Originally posted by Kindred_Spirit:
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Originally posted by NashBama:
Americans with common sense won't vote for her. She doesn't stand a chance.


I don't think anyone has anything to worry about, the ONLY good thing she is campaigning about that would help most Americans is Medical Insurance... and any of them could (and I can see that happening) do the same thing.

Hillary, isn't going to even get in the run-offs... just my opinion!! Whatever THAT is worth in Politics, Wink LOL!!!
What Runoffs?
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Originally posted by Kindred_Spirit:
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Originally posted by interventor:
Pelosi was rather stumble footed in leading the House, but it may be just her "newness" to leadership positions. But, to claim to bring a peace proposal to Syria from Israel and, then, be denied by Olmert, is not real bright.


I actually like Pelosi, but Syria and Peace doesn't belong in the SAME sentence!!!! Syria is like what we conceive typical terrorism, they feel like they are born to war. Sad... but true!!!

I have the problem, and yes, it is a problem, of not KNOWING which Middle East persons are the good guys, and which are the bad guys... I am not meaning that in a racist way, but it is just the truth in my own mind.

Ya see... if you read all about the PILOTS of 9/11, you will find that ALL their neighbors, and working buddies thought they were very nice, very polite, very gentlemenly, very much FAMILY MEN, very religious and very kind!!!! Everyone that crossed their paths were in shock for a very long time that these men could do what they did that day.... so hence is WHY my thoughts were born about the Middle Easterners.... if that makes sense.... Frowner
I would like to know where the spin on the Peace proposal Pelosi Carried From Israel to Syria was a failure.
It is the first time in years that a US government official, albeit one with standing only as opposition to the Bush Administration, has met with any Syrian Officials. The Proposal for high level talks between Israel and Syria is "under consideration" by the Syrians, and while we did not get the details of the negotiating points, the step is a positive one.
You Neo Cons don't seem to have much grip on reality.
I thought you were NASCAR fans.
In looking at the weekly rundown of winnings something immediately jumps out at you: why does the driver who finished 24th, one lap down, earn more money than the driver who finished ninth, on the lead lap? Come to think of it, why does he get any money at all?

BECAUSE HE WON'T PLAY IF YOU DON'T PAY.
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Originally posted by NashBama:
Americans with common sense won't vote for her. She doesn't stand a chance.


Nash, that is a very small percentage. ;^)

If anyone wants to see us dig our hole any deeper, just vote Democrat or Republican.

Please consider a third party, maybe Libertarian.
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Nash, that is a very small percentage. ;^)

If anyone wants to see us dig our hole any deeper, just vote Democrat or Republican.

Please consider a third party, maybe Libertarian.


You're right, so far from what I've read about Libertarian Party they make sense. I need to learn a little more about them first.
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Originally posted by interventor:
Ed,

Per Olmert, there was no peace proposal from his government.
interventor. I never said there was. Israel sent a proposal for TALKS. Olmert accepted the proposal, and is considering a response. That is how these things are done.
One major objection to the way Bush handles these conflicts is by sending a set of demands. Not offering to work out an agreement, just telling the other side to do, or die.

Olmert received a proposal for talks. HE DID NOT REJECT IT, OR ACCEPT IT, he received it.

What the "failed" comment says is this: 'Pelosi made a demand that was rejected.' That is not what happened. Pelosi delivered an invitation, not a proposal. Well a proposal for a meeting, but not a proposed settlement. She is not permitted and does not have authority to speak for the United States, or to carry out negotiations on behalf of the United States or Israel. SHE DOES NOT HAVE DIPLOMATIC LETTERS OF MARQUE. She does have STANDING, as the House Majority Leader, but she cannot even pass a bill without the advice and consent of the House of Representatives.

The problem with much of the Rhetorical WHINING being done by the Right Wing, and others is that they don't understand that negotiation with a government, by a government, is ONLY done through Ambassadors, and Delegations that carry authority from the Nation's administration. BOTH SIDES.
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Originally posted by NashBama:
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Nash, that is a very small percentage. ;^)

If anyone wants to see us dig our hole any deeper, just vote Democrat or Republican.

Please consider a third party, maybe Libertarian.


You're right, so far from what I've read about Libertarian Party they make sense. I need to learn a little more about them first.
Official Libertarian Platform position on Immigration. http://www.lp.org/issues/platform_all.shtml
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Borders will be secure, with free entry to those who have demonstrated compliance with certain requirements. The terms and conditions of entry into the United States must be simple and clearly spelled out. Documenting the entry of individuals must be restricted to screening for criminal background and threats to public health and national security. It is the obligation of the prospective immigrant to demonstrate compliance with these requirements. Once effective immigration policies are in place, general amnesties will no longer be necessary.
The first step:
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Ensure immigration requirements include only appropriate documentation, screening for criminal background and threats to public health and national security. Simplifying the immigration process and redeployment of surveillance technology to focus on the borders will encourage the use of regular and monitored entry points, thus preventing trespass and saving lives. End federal requirements that benefits and services be provided to those in the country illegally. Repeal all measures that punish employers for hiring undocumented workers. Repeal all immigration quotas.


I may be off the mark here, but I think you have expressed adamant opposition to these two proposals for long term and immediate solutions to immigration control.
The link is to the Libertarian Party OFFICIAL PLATFORM.
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I may be off the mark here, but I think you have expressed adamant opposition to these two proposals for long term and immediate solutions to immigration control.
The link is to the Libertarian Party OFFICIAL PLATFORM.


You're only half off the mark. I've been saying for some time that we need to secure the borders with stations where people can be documented and screened before they enter the country. I also agree that there should be an end to services and requirements to those who enter illegally. However, I don't think repealing laws that punish employers for hiring illegals is beneficial.

Other than that one detail and the elimination of quotas, what you posted is exactly what I've been saying all along.
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Originally posted by EdEKit:
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Originally posted by NashBama:
Americans with common sense won't vote for her. She doesn't stand a chance.
Please specify the common sense issues that Hillary Clinton is off the mark on?
Does she want to see you keep more of the money you earn? Yes, in fact, she wants to take the insurance premiums you pay away from the million dollar a year MBA's who make medical decisions, and put it into HEALTH services. (that's what national health insurance does.) That's just common sense, UNLESS you are a million a year HMO manager. She wants to take a portion of the money you make for the owner of your company, and put it into care and education for your children while you work to feed and clothe them.
That is just plain common sense.
She wants to take some of the value you produce at a job that was once held or developed by a now retired worker to assure that he has enough to eat, and wear, and a roof over his head that YOU could be proud of.
Common sense says that you should not spend your life making someone else prosperous, and die of starvation when he says, "What have you done for me lately?"


You have pointed out my biggest problem with Mrs. Clinton, she wants to TAKE somebody elses money than give it to another person. I'm a hard working American who will probably never be millionare. A real American doesn't take what doesn't belong to them. The money I earn or the money the millionare makes doesn't belong to the government nor to another individual. It is my and their right to choose to do what we want with out money. Do we not live in a free Society? Taking money from me or anyone without giving me a direct choice, doesn't seem free or right to me. I donate what I can to charity. My life would be a lot easier if the government would TAKE a little less from me and other individuals.
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You have pointed out my biggest problem with Mrs. Clinton, she wants to TAKE somebody elses money than give it to another person. I'm a hard working American who will probably never be millionare. A real American doesn't take what doesn't belong to them. The money I earn or the money the millionare makes doesn't belong to the government nor to another individual. It is my and their right to choose to do what we want with out money. Do we not live in a free Society? Taking money from me or anyone without giving me a direct choice, doesn't seem free or right to me. I donate what I can to charity. My life would be a lot easier if the government would TAKE a little less from me and other individuals.


That is what you call common sense and that's exactly why Hillary will never be president. Americans do not want socialism.
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Originally posted by NashBama:
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You have pointed out my biggest problem with Mrs. Clinton, she wants to TAKE somebody elses money than give it to another person. I'm a hard working American who will probably never be millionare. A real American doesn't take what doesn't belong to them. The money I earn or the money the millionare makes doesn't belong to the government nor to another individual. It is my and their right to choose to do what we want with out money. Do we not live in a free Society? Taking money from me or anyone without giving me a direct choice, doesn't seem free or right to me. I donate what I can to charity. My life would be a lot easier if the government would TAKE a little less from me and other individuals.


That is what you call common sense and that's exactly why Hillary will never be president. Americans do not want socialism.




You seem to know alot about socialism and I would like your take on socialism and what you think it is or means.
To keep it simple for you, I'll be brief.

Socialism is when the control and distribution of wealth and property is held by the community or government. Money is taken from those who have it and distributed to those who don't. (Tax hikes for the rich and more welfare for the poor sound familiar?) It's also when goods and services are shared and operated by the community and/or government instead of private people or business. Hillary Clinton wants to socialize health care and make it the responsibility of the government so that everyone can get it for free. This is simply a bad idea.

An example of a private hospital is Vanderbilt. An example of a government operated hospital is Walter Reed. Now, say you are seriously hurt and you are being taken for treatment. The ambulance drive asks which hospital do you want to go to. Are you going to pick Vanderbilt or Walter Reed? If Hillary Clinton had her way and socialized health care, you wouldn't be asked nor would you have a choice. You would be heading for Walter Reed, the federal government run hospital.
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Originally posted by RollTide66:
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Originally posted by EdEKit:
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Originally posted by NashBama:
Americans with common sense won't vote for her. She doesn't stand a chance.
Please specify the common sense issues that Hillary Clinton is off the mark on?
Does she want to see you keep more of the money you earn? Yes, in fact, she wants to take the insurance premiums you pay away from the million dollar a year MBA's who make medical decisions, and put it into HEALTH services. (that's what national health insurance does.) That's just common sense, UNLESS you are a million a year HMO manager. She wants to take a portion of the money you make for the owner of your company, and put it into care and education for your children while you work to feed and clothe them.
That is just plain common sense.
She wants to take some of the value you produce at a job that was once held or developed by a now retired worker to assure that he has enough to eat, and wear, and a roof over his head that YOU could be proud of.
Common sense says that you should not spend your life making someone else prosperous, and die of starvation when he says, "What have you done for me lately?"


You have pointed out my biggest problem with Mrs. Clinton, she wants to TAKE somebody elses money than give it to another person. I'm a hard working American who will probably never be millionare. A real American doesn't take what doesn't belong to them. The money I earn or the money the millionare makes doesn't belong to the government nor to another individual. It is my and their right to choose to do what we want with out money. Do we not live in a free Society? Taking money from me or anyone without giving me a direct choice, doesn't seem free or right to me. I donate what I can to charity. My life would be a lot easier if the government would TAKE a little less from me and other individuals.



I can agree with a lot of what you are saying here, but I have to disagree about the gov't taking what they want of your/my money anytime they want to... Income Tax was voted in only TEMPORARY way back when... it was NOT supposed to remain in place, so for YEARS AND YEARS, all the money you and I worked very hard from, the gov't was actually STEALING from us... ILLEGALLY...

I am not sure, off the top of my head, exactly WHEN they voted it in to be LEGAL, but it has not been that long ago.

Oh, and just lose a case with the IRS, even if you are right, and it may have been 10 years ago, they can take up to 75% of your paycheck if they CHOOSE to, or you can write them a huge check up front.... they only SAY to keep your records for 7 years, ... Call them, they can audit you for ANY year they want to, and if you have no records to back it up, well, then you have to pay...

So, yes, the gov't has stolen from ALL of the hard working Americans out there, and they did it for many years.... but we had absolutely NO control over it since it came OUT of our checks BEFORE we got them.... Sad huh? Mad

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