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Why the Pilgrims Really Came to America

(Hint, It Wasn't Religious Freedom)

 

Tracy McKenzie, Professor, Author

 

Thanksgiving is approaching, and before we turn on the football game or rush off to the mall, the more traditional among us will honor the day by reminding our families of the story of the Pilgrims.  And in keeping with tradition, we’ll get much of the story wrong. 

 

Most of the inaccuracies will be trivial.  In our mind’s eye, we’ll remember the Pilgrims decked out in black suits and enormous silver buckles, seated at a long table loaded with turkey and pumpkin pie. 

 

It would be more accurate to imagine them adorned in bright colors, seated on the ground, and enjoying turnips and eel, but these are superficial differences that don’t change the meaning of the story very much.

 

That’s not the case with how we remember the Pilgrims’ reasons for coming to America.  The belief that the Pilgrims came to America in search of religious freedom is inspiring, but it’s just not so.  Religious persecution had prompted the Pilgrims to move from England to Holland in 1608, but none of the Pilgrim writers so much as hinted that a desire for greater religious freedom led them to leave Holland for America in 1620. 

 

By their own account, Holland was a place where God had blessed them with “much peace and liberty.”  They cited factors other than religious persecution in explaining their decision to seek a new home across the ocean.

 

Boiled down, the Pilgrims had two major complaints about their experience in Holland: (1) They found it a hard place to raise their children and (2) an even harder place to make a living.

 

The rest of the story

 

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Whatever the reason they came here, when they got here they wasted no time implementing a rigid, authoritarian, Calvinistic regime that tolerated no dissent and that harshly punished those who dared to disagree with them.  They established governments that knew no real division between church and state, and the excesses that they perpetrated under those arrangements helped point the way to a Constitution that wisely prescribes SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE!

Hi all,

 

In his fervor to undermine the Christian faith, my Friend, Vic, offers his version of the following story regarding what we today call the Pilgrims, those who left England and settled in America.  First, we know that when King Henry VIII broke from the Roman Catholic church and formed the Church of England (the Anglican church), the only thing he changed was to evict the Pope and make himself the head of the Church of England.  Other than that, it was Roman Catholic in all ways.

 

However, King Henry decreed that ALL people of England were members of his church.  Eventually his dictatorial rule of that church led many to be unhappy.  There were two main factions:  Puritans who were unhappy but wanted to stay in that church and push for changes internally.  The Separatists wanted to just leave the Church of England altogether.

 

The latter group immigrated to the Netherlands and lived there for about 20 years.  But, because the Netherlands of their day was very similar to the Netherlands of today -- holding to very worldly moral standards -- and the Separatists, not wanting their children raised in that loose society (shades of America today?) decided to leave the Netherlands.

 

They returned to England and made a contract with the Plymouth Company to be their representatives in the new land of America.   That is why, in 1620, when they forced by bad weather to make land before reaching Virginia - they landed in what would become Massachusetts.  Because they were under contract with the Plymouth Company, they named the area where they landed Plymouth -- and it has come to be called Plymouth Rock.

 

My Friend, Vic, in his fervor for truth (?) -- cherry picked only portions of the story he, in his usual manner, copy/pasted as proof text leading to his main religion -- "separation of church and state."

 

So, why did the Separatist Pilgrims come to America?  They came to find a place where they could worship, or not worship, as they chose -- and to have a more morally stable environment in which they could raise their children.   And, that desire to have a place where they could worship, or not worship, as they chose -- is what led the writers of the Constitution to include the First Amendment in The Bill of Rights, the first ten amendments to the United States Constitution. 

 

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

 

Here is the full story (which Vic cherry picked) as printed on the web site: 

 

Why the Pilgrims Really Came to America (Hint, It Wasn't Religious Freedom)
Tracy McKenzie, Professor, Author - Church History Timeline http://www.christianity.com/ch...ligious-freedom.html

 

Thanksgiving is approaching, and before we turn on the football game or rush off to the mall, the more traditional among us will honor the day by reminding our families of the story of the Pilgrims.  And in keeping with tradition, we’ll get much of the story wrong.  Most of the inaccuracies will be trivial.  In our mind’s eye, we’ll remember the Pilgrims decked out in black suits and enormous silver buckles, seated at a long table loaded with turkey and pumpkin pie.  It would be more accurate to imagine them adorned in bright colors, seated on the ground, and enjoying turnips and eel, but these are superficial differences that don’t change the meaning of the story very much.

 

That’s not the case with how we remember the Pilgrims’ reasons for coming to America.  The belief that the Pilgrims came to America in search of religious freedom is inspiring, but it’s just not so. 

 

Religious persecution had prompted the Pilgrims to move from England to Holland in 1608, but none of the Pilgrim writers so much as hinted that a desire for greater religious freedom led them to leave Holland for America in 1620.  By their own account, Holland was a place where God had blessed them with “much peace and liberty.”  They cited factors other than religious persecution in explaining their decision to seek a new home across the ocean.

 

Boiled down, the Pilgrims had two major complaints about their experience in Holland: (1) They found it a hard place to raise their children and (2) an even harder place to make a living. 

 

Dutch culture was too permissive, they believed.  Pilgrim William Bradford commented on “the great licentiousness of youth” in Holland and lamented the “evil examples” and “manifold temptations of the place.” 

 

Compounding these challenges was what Bradford called “the hardness of the place.”  Most Pilgrim families lived in houses with no more than a couple hundred square feet of floor space.  The majority labored as textile workers, carding, spinning, or weaving in their own homes from dawn to dusk, six days a week, merely to keep body and soul together.

 

The Pilgrims’ justification for relocating to America reminds me of Jesus’ parable of the sower.  You remember how the sower casts his seed (the word of God), and it falls on multiple kinds of ground, not all of which prove fruitful.  The seed that lands on stony ground sprouts immediately but the plant withers under the heat of the noonday sun.  The seed cast among thorns springs up and then is choked by the surrounding weeds. 

 

The former, Jesus explained to His disciples, represents those who receive the word gladly, but stumble “when tribulation or persecution arises for the word’s sake” (Mark 4:17).  The latter stands for those who allow the word to be choked by “the cares of this world, the deceitfulness of riches, and the desires for other things” (Mark 4:19). 

 

In emphasizing the Pilgrims’ supposed search for religious freedom, we make the primary menace in their story the heat of persecution.  As the Pilgrims saw it, the principal threat that they faced in Holland was not the scorching sun, but strangling thornsTo their credit, they were determined not to let the cares of this world weaken their faith or undermine their church.

 

This makes the Pilgrim story so much more relevant to us.  When we hear of the Pilgrims’ resolve in the face of persecution in England, we may nod our heads admiringly and meditate on the courage of their convictions.  Perhaps we will even ask ourselves how we would respond if, God forbid, we were to endure the same trial. 

 

And yet the danger seems so remote, the question so comfortably hypothetical.  Whatever limitations we may chafe against in the public square, as Christians in the United States we don’t have to worry that the government will send us to prison unless we worship in the church that it chooses.

 

In contrast, the Pilgrims’ struggle with “thorns” speaks to us where we live.  Their hardships in Holland were so . . . ordinary.  They worried about their children’s future.  They feared the effects of a corrupt and permissive culture.  They had a hard time making ends meet.  They wondered how they would provide for themselves in old age.  Can you relate to any of their worries? 

 

If so, I encourage you to revisit the Pilgrim story this Thanksgiving season with new eyes.  Set aside the caricatures—the ridiculous hats and silly buckles—and see instead their courage and perseverance and the heavenly hope that undergirded both.

 

The Pilgrims had their blind spots, but they were men and women of deep conviction who grappled with fundamental issues still relevant to us today.  There is much in their example we might learn from.
 

Robert Tracy McKenzie is professor and chair of the History Department at Wheaton College and president of the Conference on Faith and History, a national organization of Christian historians.  He is the author of The First Thanksgiving: What the Real Story Tells Us about Loving God and Learning from History (IVP).  McKenzie blogs at http://faithandamericanhistory.wordpress.com.

 

And, that, my Friends, is the more complete story and truth about our immigrant forefathers, the church, and its relationship to government.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

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The reason I gave the above billiee post my usual 30 second scan was

because I know he treats history just like he does the Bible, anyway he

will dam well please to fit his bogus interpretation of both. And he did, as

much as I could take of it.

 

So it's official, every writer of history be it secular or religious presented in

this forum has been wrong according to billiee and it doesn't matter if it's

me or Jesus. Ironically Jesus has been wrong more times than myself.

The brilliance of the boy billiee...........Huh....

   

Bill DHL™ has never met a written word he couldn't twist the meaning of.   He also ignores the fact that the pilgrims operated under a self-imposed government that was a theocracy.   If Johhny had his way we'd be back to public stocks or leg irons for religious offenders.

 

Telling Vic that he has cherry picked an article when the crux of the article was posted along with a link to the full article, is just a blatant lie.  So is claiming that Vic somehow misrepresented what the article said.

 

Bill DHL™ shows us just more examples of why he has no credibility. 

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Originally Posted by semiannualchick:
Originally Posted by fritzy:

No, no, no. Pilgrims came to America to star in John Wayne movies: " I haven't lost my temper in 40 years; but, Pilgrim, you caused a lot of trouble this morning; might have got somebody killed; and somebody oughta belt you in the mouth. But I won't. I won't. The hell I won't!" (He belts him in the mouth).

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I like the chicken they produce--Pilgrim's Pride.  I bought some very nice boneless, skinless

b*r*e*a*s*t*s the other day.

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