quote:I think blue laws would definitely qualify
You're right,but I was talking Federal laws.
quote:I think blue laws would definitely qualify
quote:Originally posted by Extra260:
Illogical,
I am not trying to force my religion on anyone. I am only trying to save the lives of children from murder.
quote:I don't believe in abortion. I personally can't see myself doing it, but I do not have the right to force someone else to bear a child they do not want. That is between them and God.
quote:Originally posted by Extra260:
Logical,
Gay people can live together just like married people. In the 80's when i lived in Huntsville, in the apartment complex i lived in, there were three gay couples in the two buildings, eight units in each.
quote:
Now since gay people can live together just like anyone else, please pray tell me the rationale for them getting married.
Men and women get married to declare their allegiance to each other till death they do part, forsaking all others, then they begin building a life together, which includes in most cases the spawning of children and the establishment of a family environment.
quote:
The gay couple i saw in the 80's were neither dedicated to each other for life nor were they monogomous. As i have stated before, the average gay male by the near end of life has had 100's of different lovers. This does not fit the profile of marriage.
quote:Originally posted by Backwoods:quote:I think blue laws would definitely qualify
You're right,but I was talking Federal laws.
quote:Face
Posted 21 November 2008 12:38 PM Hide Post
quote:
Originally posted by Extra260:
Logical,
Gay people can live together just like married people. In the 80's when i lived in Huntsville, in the apartment complex i lived in, there were three gay couples in the two buildings, eight units in each.
Gay people can live together just like unmarried straight people can live together. Your argument is simply not true. There are numerous things that being married confers to a couple that has a definite effect on their lives. Things such as taxes, insurance, business, inheritance, health care, Social Security benefits, child care (sorry to tell you, but gay people actually can and do procreate) are just some of the things.
Yes like the adoption of children.
quote:
Now since gay people can live together just like anyone else, please pray tell me the rationale for them getting married.
Men and women get married to declare their allegiance to each other till death they do part, forsaking all others, then they begin building a life together, which includes in most cases the spawning of children and the establishment of a family environment.
And exactly why would you think a gay couple who wished to be married would be different? Do you think gay people think of marriage differently than straight people do?
Yes they have to. As i have stated, homosexuals have hundreds of partners, so what again is the purpose of them marrying?
quote:
The gay couple i saw in the 80's were neither dedicated to each other for life nor were they monogomous. As i have stated before, the average gay male by the near end of life has had 100's of different lovers. This does not fit the profile of marriage.
You do realize that gay people are not just males, don't you? There are also quite a few gay women too. And they are quite capable of bearing children. And you make my case for me. They would have to break their marriage vow and go oiutside their relationship to have these children. So by definition this would cause infidelity.
I've known couples, both gay and straight, who were committed and monogamous. I've also know both kinds of couples who weren't. If that were the criteria for marriage, then straight people shouldn't be allowed to get married either. That is not a reason to deny gay folks who are committed and monogamous the right to marry.
It's not your life. Why do wish to make the lives of people you don't even know so much harder?
quote:New Kid on the Block
Posted 21 November 2008 02:58 PM Hide Post
Okay....
Less then half have had more than 60 partners, which is FAR short of you claim that they all have over 100.
Beyond that, that article is rather meaningless. It was conducted in Amsterdam - which, in addition to being too small of a sample size, is widely regarded as one of the world's most debaucherous places. Not a good place for that study. Second, those percentages don't compare the sample group to the average population
quote:New Kid on the Block
Posted 21 November 2008 03:21 PM Hide Post
I think all these issues can be solved by asking a few simple questions.
Does any of these actions pose a direct threat to physically harm the lives of your loved ones, or yourself? The answer is No.
Agree or disagree with the issues, to be honest those decisions by other people have yet to cause physical harm to my family or myself.
If someone wants to have an abortion, while I don't agree with it, it's their decision to live with. If people of the same sex want to get married, more power to them. Freedom is equality to everyone, not just those who agree with your philosophy on life.
quote:Less then half have had more than 60 partners, which is FAR short of you claim that they all have over 100.
quote:Originally posted by dolemitejb:
Extra, your mind is made up to the point that the research you provided isn't enough for you.
It says nothing about carrying on for 20 years. And still, the Chicago study is a DIFFERENT study. It makes no mention of the time period in which these partners were acquired.
You're misusing research (and what appears to be bad research at that) to push your agenda. I don't care what your beliefs are, but stop trying to make it a matter of science.
quote:Originally posted by Extra260:quote:Originally posted by logical:
And exactly why would you think a gay couple who wished to be married would be different? Do you think gay people think of marriage differently than straight people do?
Yes they have to. As i have stated, homosexuals have hundreds of partners, so what again is the purpose of them marrying?
quote:quote:Originally posted by logical:
You do realize that gay people are not just males, don't you? There are also quite a few gay women too. And they are quite capable of bearing children.
And you make my case for me. They would have to break their marriage vow and go oiutside their relationship to have these children. So by definition this would cause infidelity.
quote:quote:Originally posted by logical:
It's not your life. Why do wish to make the lives of people you don't even know so much harder?
This is not about making lives harder as it is about putting our nations children as risk of sexual victimization by people who are unstable.
quote:Originally posted by Extra260:
Dolomite,
You are just trying to dodge the issue at hand. Lets just say for the moment, that the average homosexual male has 60 partners in their lifetime as per the study; It still does not take away from my argument of the fact that homosexual males are not monogamous, therefore the issue of gay marriage is not a valid one.
quote:Originally posted by Extra260:
Dolomite,
You are just trying to dodge the issue at hand. Lets just say for the moment, that the average homosexual male has 60 partners in their lifetime as per the study; It still does not take away from my argument of the fact that homosexual males are not monogamous, therefore the issue of gay marriage is not a valid one.
quote:Originally posted by dolemitejb:quote:Originally posted by Extra260:
Dolomite,
You are just trying to dodge the issue at hand. Lets just say for the moment, that the average homosexual male has 60 partners in their lifetime as per the study; It still does not take away from my argument of the fact that homosexual males are not monogamous, therefore the issue of gay marriage is not a valid one.
I'm not dodging anything - just refuting your "facts."
The amount of partners a person has in a lifetime does not disqualify them from marriage. Are you saying that all heterosexuals are married to the only person they ever slept with? If a guy is with 60+ women, and then decides he wants to marry one, would you say he can't?
quote:Originally posted by David L.:
He has no rationale and has probably been brainwashed by the likes of closet-case Donald Wildmon and other lunatics. Good grief, one homophobe leaves the forum only to have another one pop up.
quote:Originally posted by Extra260:
Dolomite,
Once again you get lost in the fantasy of your own argument. The quoted study from Chicago was studying the sexual habits of people in general, it is the #'s on the admitted homosexuals that caused the eye opening. Heterosexuals in the study did not say that over 60% of them had had sex with over 60 partners.
quote:asking whether you think a heterosexual person with 60+ partners should be legally allowed to marry.
quote:Originally posted by dolemitejb:
Extra,
I don't have a study, and I don't need one. I'm not the one making any claims here. I'm only challenging yours.
quote:You have not given us any real proof in favor of your arguement. You're not even citing the actual study. You're citing a Baptist publication that is using selective pieces of data from a study.
quote:Why should homosexuals not have the same rights as heterosexuals? It's a simple question.
quote:You don't like gay people. That's your opinion. No one is saying you're not entitled to an opinion - just stop trying to use bad research as a means to justify your personal beliefs.
quote:Originally posted by Extra260:
No you are trying to refute factual evidence with your own fantasy. You have nothing to refute an established study that shows the promiscuity of homosexual males, and shows that marriage among homosexuals is simply a sad joke.
quote:
The baptist press story is only a reporting of the ACTUAL FINDINGS of a University of Chicago study. If you don't like the facts of this study, i suggest you take it up with them.
Homosexuals have every right that heterosexuals have. You can live with whom ever you please, engage in whatever behavior you please in your bedroom. Please do not mock an established institution, and insult our intelligence by saying you would be monogomous in your "marriage" relationship.
quote:
Once again, an established study done by the University of Chicago. Even they were suprised by the sexual lifestyle of male homosexuals, and they are not a Christian organization that i know of.
The data speaks for itself:
According to the researchers, 42.9 percent of homosexual men in Chicago's Shoreland area have had more than 60 sexual partners, while an additional 18.4 percent have had between 31 and 60 partners. All total, 61.3 percent of the area's homosexual men have had more than 30 partners, and 87.8 percent have had more than 15, the research found.
*In light of this information, i can see your desire to suppress it.
quote:posted by DavidL. Insurance benefits, hospital visitation rights, inheritance rights, etc. is not asking for anything extra or "special" as so many people like to say.
quote:The study you refer to has absolutely nothing to do with marriage and homosexuals. The homosexual individuals in the study were not married and no conclusions as their behavior if they were can be legitimately drawn.
quote:More willful ignorance on your part. The argument that homosexuals "have every right the heterosexuals have" is simply false. Using the same logic, black people had the same rights as white people wrt interracial marriage.
Your assumption that simply because a person is a male homosexual that they would want to be married and yet not want to fulfill the marriage vows is simply not credible. There are many, many examples of long term monogamous gay couples.
However, since those couples do not support your desire of showing that homosexuals are not worthy of marriage, you just ignore their existence.
quote:Originally posted by Extra260:quote:New Kid on the Block
Posted 21 November 2008 03:21 PM Hide Post
I think all these issues can be solved by asking a few simple questions.
Does any of these actions pose a direct threat to physically harm the lives of your loved ones, or yourself? The answer is No.
Agree or disagree with the issues, to be honest those decisions by other people have yet to cause physical harm to my family or myself.
If someone wants to have an abortion, while I don't agree with it, it's their decision to live with. If people of the same sex want to get married, more power to them. Freedom is equality to everyone, not just those who agree with your philosophy on life.
Loki,
You haven't been following the discussion. I have showed that the whole gay marriage issue is a red herring for the gay community to get access to children as a reqruiting tool. This is all smoke and mirrors, homosexuals are not monogomous, therefore marriage has no meaning among them.
As far as not hurting anyone, why don't you march naked down the middle of town. There are laws about public decency and lewdness, those laws reflect the damage done to society by aberrant behavior. Forcing society to accept something that is beyond decency and nature itself, is corrupting public morals.
quote:Like it or not, the gay community is part of society. Forcing society to accept something that is not freedom for everyone, well now that is beyond decency and nature itself, and I would say is definitely corrupting public morals.
quote:Originally posted by logical:
And exactly how do you figure that? Freedom from religion merely means that one cannot force their religion onto another.