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C.O.B.R.A., it would help us for you to have stated with some reasonable degree of clarity just what you are referring to here, but you have not done much of a job of that with the stumbling, sprawling, run-on, confusing manner in which you have referenced the twaddle you have put up in earlier posts. It would have been far better for you to have simply re-stated the original questions or, better yet, you could have left those questions where they belonged, in the posts in which they originated. The likely reason you did not do the latter is because your overconfident ego drove you to start a new post with the "gotcha" language you used in the heading in order to attract attention to yourself and to coax out a larger audience for your heretical LDS doctrines.

Another thing, C.O.B.R.A., for someone who has been so reluctant to answer the questions of others, it ill behooves you to chide someone else for not responding to your questions on your schedule. I know not what obligations you have, but I am currently caring for an injured relative and at the same time doing some work for my employer that is rather mentally demanding. It takes me little time to respond to the puerile stuff you put up on this forum, but answering you is not my highest priority. I would also point out that over the weekend, I went to some trouble to provide my response to you on the issue of "temple marriage" and "celestial marriage" and there is a detailed post of mine on that topic awaiting your response. I am not ragging you to answer that. You may take whatever time you really need, but I will be interested in your response, since I have pointed out that your earlier discussion actually conflicts with what your own church and your own alleged "Prophet" teaches on that subject.

I will do for you what you did not do for Bill or me in your challenge to us; I will correctly cite the post to which I am referring. It is entitled, "Not from God, C.O.B.R.A.!” and my last entry, awaiting your response, was posted at 9;35 AM, September 27.

Here is your arrogantly posed challenge, C.O.B.R.A. and here are my replies, which might or might not satisfy you. I have done the best I can to try to interpret your sloppily-framed challenge, and if I missed the point somewhere, blame it on your own paltry communication skills.

[QUOTE]People in here have asked you two questions that you have no answers for. Question in the area of COBRA answer me a question, and. Christian coat and. God has a body of flesh and bones, there are more, please bless us with your Almighty HUMAN UNDERSTANDING.[QUOTE]

You refer first to "Question in the area of COBRA answer me a question." After cruising through the Religion Forum topics, I find this heading--"Will C.O.B.R.A. (Dwight) Answer One Question?--which is something like what you listed and I will assume it is what you are referring to, but for Pity's sake, C.O.B.R.A., in the future, when you reference a specific topic, just take the small amount of time it requires to quote the topic correctly. That should not be too much of a burden.

Here is what you posted under that topic, C.O.B.R.A.:

[QUOTE]Let me give you another perspective on that verse for you to think about. The word die does indeed refer to the seperation[sic] of the spirit from the body but I look at the word DEAD as regering to those that are dead to the things of God. The spirituality [sic] dead. They indeed know nothing as to the things Of God. Like a person that thinks they know everything about all religions but refuse to pray and invite the Holy Ghost to teach them the things of God, you know, Spiritually dead. They really KNOW NOTHING.[QUOTE]

Frankly, C.O.B.R.A., your digression to "how [you] look at the word dead" is just a transparent device you are using to seque into your old assertion that anyone who needs to get informed about anything spiritual must state the particulars of his case to God and get himself directly informed by a visitation of the Holy Ghost. We have been around that old horn several times already, C.O.B.R.A., and you just won't let it go, since it is such a convenient way to avoid discussing the substance of matters on which we disagree. I'm done with you on that one, since it leads nowhere but back into the dim corners of your dogmatic mindset. Stop trying to re-invent a wheel that doesn't roll.

One of the other matters that you feel neglected on is this matter of the alleged fleshly body of God. You posted the following:

[QUOTE]Acts 1:11 it is said that as Jesus went up to heaven He will return in like manner, The way I read the Bible, Jesus assended [sic] into heaven as a being of flesh and bone and He will return with that same body when He comes again. How else are the Jews going to feel His wounds and confess He is God? If He isnt[sic] in heaven with his body that He assended[sic]with, did He drop it off somewhere else.[sic] If so why go through all the trouble to show the apostles that He had a body of flesh and bones?[QUOTE]

Ye do err, C.O.B.R.A., in assuming that "in like manner" refers to the Jesus returning with a fleshly body. The "manner" in which he ascended is the "how" of how he ascended. The "manner" of his ascension is described in Acts 1:9: "And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up and a cloud received him out of their sight."

He ascended in a cloud, C.O.B.R.A. And how will he return? I have the answer to that question for you. I got it from the Holy Ghost, but don't let that get you too excited. I did not get it like you claim to get it--by some kind of direct, customized, personal deposit of Holy Ghost information put together in answer to a prayer for same. I got it from the word of God, which is a product of inspiration by the Holy Ghost. I found it in I Thessalonians 4: 16 &17, and in Revelation 1:7 both of which which make it plain that when Jesus returns, he will be coming "in the clouds" and "with clouds." That was the "manner" of his ascension, C.O.B.R.A., and that will be the "manner" of his return. And "every eye shall see him," C.O.B.R.A.

I do not buy your argument that Jews or anyone else will need to touch a fleshly body in order to be convinced of who he is when he returns. When he comes, C.O.B.R.A.,"with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God" (I Thess. 4:16), there will not be doubters lining up to feel the nail prints in his hands or the wound in his side. That shout, that trump, and that triumphant return in the clouds will be enough to convince saint and sinner alike that the Son of God has returned to claim his own!
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Hi Folks,

Our heat wave in California knocked power off for quite a while today. Typical California -- we had beautiful fall weather through much of Summer (loved it!) -- and now that we are in Fall, we are having a Summer heat wave. Go figure.

Today, before the heat wave took us down -- I was in the process of writing a new post describing Mormonism. I figure since Dwight will not answer any of the questions Beter, Semi, and I put to him -- I will answer those question for him, so that our Forum Friends will know the truth.

And, no, Dwight -- it was not your Mormon Holy Spirit, nor your Mormon Holy Ghost, nor your Mormon "committee of gods" which knocked down the power; just old power lines overloaded by the surge created by the heat wave.

Tomorrow, I will finish my article and post it. Should be interesting; I will be quoting some very informative sources.

So, Dwight, we will not need your answers. I will supply them, thank you very much.

Boy, I bet your Mormon friends are wetting their pants over the Mormon Storm you have created in the Religion Forum with your inane SMOKE SCREENS.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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I have to chime in! Do you all not have a life? These long posts are like reading a book and I know it takes some time to write..I have got to make myself not read the forums anymore. Just gets me upset. Why don't you all start acting like Christians and spend some time with your families and set an example for other people instead of putting each other down. You all are not doing any good to anyone.. Do you think your Heavenly Father and Jesus would act like this? I think not.. I will keep you all in my prayers and hey get off the computer and spread some love instead of all this hate.........
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Originally posted by beternU:
C.O.B.R.A., it would help us for you to have stated with some reasonable degree of clarity just what you are referring to here, but you have not done much of a job of that with the stumbling, sprawling, run-on, confusing manner in which you have referenced the twaddle you have put up in earlier posts. It would have been far better for you to have simply re-stated the original questions or, better yet, you could have left those questions where they belonged, in the posts in which they originated. The likely reason you did not do the latter is because your overconfident ego drove you to start a new post with the "gotcha" language you used in the heading in order to attract attention to yourself and to coax out a larger audience for your heretical LDS doctrines.

Another thing, C.O.B.R.A., for someone who has been so reluctant to answer the questions of others, it ill behooves you to chide someone else for not responding to your questions on your schedule. I know not what obligations you have, but I am currently caring for an injured relative and at the same time doing some work for my employer that is rather mentally demanding. It takes me little time to respond to the puerile stuff you put up on this forum, but answering you is not my highest priority. I would also point out that over the weekend, I went to some trouble to provide my response to you on the issue of "temple marriage" and "celestial marriage" and there is a detailed post of mine on that topic awaiting your response. I am not ragging you to answer that. You may take whatever time you really need, but I will be interested in your response, since I have pointed out that your earlier discussion actually conflicts with what your own church and your own alleged "Prophet" teaches on that subject.

I will do for you what you did not do for Bill or me in your challenge to us; I will correctly cite the post to which I am referring. It is entitled, "Not from God, C.O.B.R.A.!” and my last entry, awaiting your response, was posted at 9;35 AM, September 27.

Here is your arrogantly posed challenge, C.O.B.R.A. and here are my replies, which might or might not satisfy you. I have done the best I can to try to interpret your sloppily-framed challenge, and if I missed the point somewhere, blame it on your own paltry communication skills.

[QUOTE]People in here have asked you two questions that you have no answers for. Question in the area of COBRA answer me a question, and. Christian coat and. God has a body of flesh and bones, there are more, please bless us with your Almighty HUMAN UNDERSTANDING.[QUOTE]

You refer first to "Question in the area of COBRA answer me a question." After cruising through the Religion Forum topics, I find this heading--"Will C.O.B.R.A. (Dwight) Answer One Question?--which is something like what you listed and I will assume it is what you are referring to, but for Pity's sake, C.O.B.R.A., in the future, when you reference a specific topic, just take the small amount of time it requires to quote the topic correctly. That should not be too much of a burden.

Here is what you posted under that topic, C.O.B.R.A.:

[QUOTE]Let me give you another perspective on that verse for you to think about. The word die does indeed refer to the seperation[sic] of the spirit from the body but I look at the word DEAD as regering to those that are dead to the things of God. The spirituality [sic] dead. They indeed know nothing as to the things Of God. Like a person that thinks they know everything about all religions but refuse to pray and invite the Holy Ghost to teach them the things of God, you know, Spiritually dead. They really KNOW NOTHING.[QUOTE]

Frankly, C.O.B.R.A., your digression to "how [you] look at the word dead" is just a transparent device you are using to seque into your old assertion that anyone who needs to get informed about anything spiritual must state the particulars of his case to God and get himself directly informed by a visitation of the Holy Ghost. We have been around that old horn several times already, C.O.B.R.A., and you just won't let it go, since it is such a convenient way to avoid discussing the substance of matters on which we disagree. I'm done with you on that one, since it leads nowhere but back into the dim corners of your dogmatic mindset. Stop trying to re-invent a wheel that doesn't roll.

One of the other matters that you feel neglected on is this matter of the alleged fleshly body of God. You posted the following:

[QUOTE]Acts 1:11 it is said that as Jesus went up to heaven He will return in like manner, The way I read the Bible, Jesus assended [sic] into heaven as a being of flesh and bone and He will return with that same body when He comes again. How else are the Jews going to feel His wounds and confess He is God? If He isnt[sic] in heaven with his body that He assended[sic]with, did He drop it off somewhere else.[sic] If so why go through all the trouble to show the apostles that He had a body of flesh and bones?[QUOTE]

Ye do err, C.O.B.R.A., in assuming that "in like manner" refers to the Jesus returning with a fleshly body. The "manner" in which he ascended is the "how" of how he ascended. The "manner" of his ascension is described in Acts 1:9: "And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up and a cloud received him out of their sight."

He ascended in a cloud, C.O.B.R.A. And how will he return? I have the answer to that question for you. I got it from the Holy Ghost, but don't let that get you too excited. I did not get it like you claim to get it--by some kind of direct, customized, personal deposit of Holy Ghost information put together in answer to a prayer for same. I got it from the word of God, which is a product of inspiration by the Holy Ghost. I found it in I Thessalonians 4: 16 &17, and in Revelation 1:7 both of which which make it plain that when Jesus returns, he will be coming "in the clouds" and "with clouds." That was the "manner" of his ascension, C.O.B.R.A., and that will be the "manner" of his return. And "every eye shall see him," C.O.B.R.A.

I do not buy your argument that Jews or anyone else will need to touch a fleshly body in order to be convinced of who he is when he returns. When he comes, C.O.B.R.A.,"with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God" (I Thess. 4:16), there will not be doubters lining up to feel the nail prints in his hands or the wound in his side. That shout, that trump, and that triumphant return in the clouds will be enough to convince saint and sinner alike that the Son of God has returned to claim his own!
Your tap dancing, takes only ONE WORD to answer the question, DOES GOD HAVE A BODY OF FLESH AND BONES? YES OR NO. that simple!
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I have to chime in! Do you all not have a life? These long posts are like reading a book and I know it takes some time to write..I have got to make myself not read the forums anymore. Just gets me upset. Why don't you all start acting like Christians and spend some time with your families and set an example for other people instead of putting each other down. You all are not doing any good to anyone.. Do you think your Heavenly Father and Jesus would act like this? I think not.. I will keep you all in my prayers and hey get off the computer and spread some love instead of all this hate.........


You kinda bossy, that ain't exactly Christian either is it. Big Grin
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Originally posted by dreamn:
I have to chime in! Do you all not have a life? These long posts are like reading a book and I know it takes some time to write..I have got to make myself not read the forums anymore. Just gets me upset. Why don't you all start acting like Christians and spend some time with your families and set an example for other people instead of putting each other down. You all are not doing any good to anyone.. Do you think your Heavenly Father and Jesus would act like this? I think not.. I will keep you all in my prayers and hey get off the computer and spread some love instead of all this hate.........


You may call it "hate" if you wish. I call it TRUTH. Jesus said, Ye shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free." There are certain truths that, if taught and understood correctly, will make one free from the fiction of Mormonism. I see nothing wrong in posting such truths.
With all the other million religions out there, everyone seems to focus on Mormons! My entire life I have attended many different churches and the Mormons are the only ones that do not spend their church service on Sunday putting down the other religions. It is really a beautiful day outside! I have spent most of it outside..maybe you all should get a little sunshine too...
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With all the other million religions out there, everyone seems to focus on Mormons! My entire life I have attended many different churches and the Mormons are the only ones that do not spend their church service on Sunday putting down the other religions. It is really a beautiful day outside! I have spent most of it outside..maybe you all should get a little sunshine too...


I always thought catholics were being put down... I feel your pain... Smiler
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Originally posted by dreamn:
With all the other million religions out there, everyone seems to focus on Mormons! My entire life I have attended many different churches and the Mormons are the only ones that do not spend their church service on Sunday putting down the other religions. It is really a beautiful day outside! I have spent most of it outside..maybe you all should get a little sunshine too...


You must not get around to many churches if, from your experience, you have concluded that Mormons are the only ones who don't spend their time at church on Sunday morning putting down other religions. Get real, dreamn, if you expect any credibility on here, don't make such wild, indefensible, all-subsuming statements as that.
Weebles wobble but they don't fall down! Big Grin
ATTACK! ATTACK! HE SAID HE WASN'T GONNA POST NOWHERE BUT THAT ONE THREAD! HE LIED HE LIED!
SORRY, couldn't resist, it was out ov my mouth before I could stop it! Let's see howmany pop up I get that say Ignored message from u know who and mini know who. Razzer Frowner Razzer Big Grin

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Originally posted by dreamn:
With all the other million religions out there, everyone seems to focus on Mormons! My entire life I have attended many different churches and the Mormons are the only ones that do not spend their church service on Sunday putting down the other religions. It is really a beautiful day outside! I have spent most of it outside..maybe you all should get a little sunshine too...


I always thought catholics were being put down... I feel your pain... Smiler
Oh well, I can honestly say that never in a Sunday service at our Church have I heard another denomination mentioned..but the same can't go for quite a few other religions that I have visited over the past 40 something years. I didn't ask for credibility! I am out of here! Goodluck Cobra .. don't hurt your head to bad .. by hitting these brick walls!
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Originally posted by Bill Gray:
Hi Folks,

Our heat wave in California knocked power off for quite a while today. Typical California -- we had beautiful fall weather through much of Summer (loved it!) -- and now that we are in Fall, we are having a Summer heat wave. Go figure.

Today, before the heat wave took us down -- I was in the process of writing a new post describing Mormonism. I figure since Dwight will not answer any of the questions Beter, Semi, and I put to him -- I will answer those question for him, so that our Forum Friends will know the truth.

And, no, Dwight -- it was not your Mormon Holy Spirit, nor your Mormon Holy Ghost, nor your Mormon "committee of gods" which knocked down the power; just old power lines overloaded by the surge created by the heat wave.

Tomorrow, I will finish my article and post it. Should be interesting; I will be quoting some very informative sources.

So, Dwight, we will not need your answers. I will supply them, thank you very much.

Boy, I bet your Mormon friends are wetting their pants over the Mormon Storm you have created in the Religion Forum with your inane SMOKE SCREENS.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill


Bro. Bill,

I hate to be the one But since BeternU is not going to do it
I must say it.

If you do not excuse your self from the doctrine you espouse and have your self added to the COC you are going to hell along with the likes of bjbg & slim. Gofish &Uno are already shoo-ins for brimstone city.
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Bro. Bill,

I hate to be the one But since BeternU is not going to do it I must say it.

If you do not excuse your self from the doctrine you espouse and have your self added to the COC you are going to hell along with the likes of bjbg & slim. Gofish &Uno are already shoo-ins for brimstone city.

Hi Buffalo,

It is always difficult to tell if you are being facetious -- or if you are sometimes sincere.

Simple solution. Show me, anywhere in the Bible, where we can find the COC in Scripture. And, show me anywhere in Scripture that tells us that one needs the COC to be saved. If you can do this -- you may have a convert.

Do I feel safe? You bet. For I have salvation based upon Ephesians 2:8-9 and guaranteed by John 3:16, John 6:47, etc.

But, if you are happy wallowing in misplaced humor or legalism -- God bless you.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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You know, Bill, Christ's body of believers need no name. You can find them in almost any religious group. They that follow the teachings of Christ are members of his Body.
For example church A may have their own beliefs, but, believer B has his own faith that may not match what church A touts themselves to be. However, certain events or locations leads him to worship with church A.
I guess this is getting to long of post, so I'll just say that a true Christian is one that follows the teaching of Christ.
The name on the building matters not if the person is true to the teaching of Jesus the Christ, our savior.
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You know, Bill, Christ's body of believers need no name. You can find them in almost any religious group. They that follow the teachings of Christ are members of his Body.
For example church A may have their own beliefs, but, believer B has his own faith that may not match what church A touts themselves to be. However, certain events or locations leads him to worship with church A.
I guess this is getting to long of post, so I'll just say that a true Christian is one that follows the teaching of Christ.
The name on the building matters not if the person is true to the teaching of Jesus the Christ, our savior.

Hi Max,

If the church believes and teaches the Essential Christian Beliefs -- then, I agree with you. We are not saved by our church, nor by the name of our church or its affiliation.

We are saved by grace, through faith in Jesus Christ -- plus nothing else. It doesn't matter the name of your church -- just, as you say, if you have Jesus in your heart -- and acknowledge Him as the preexisting Son of God.

So, we agree.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Originally posted by buffalo:
Bro. Bill,

I hate to be the one But since BeternU is not going to do it I must say it.

If you do not excuse your self from the doctrine you espouse and have your self added to the COC you are going to hell along with the likes of bjbg & slim. Gofish &Uno are already shoo-ins for brimstone city.

Hi Buffalo,

It is always difficult to tell if you are being facetious -- or if you are sometimes sincere.

Simple solution. Show me, anywhere in the Bible, where we can find the COC in Scripture. And, show me anywhere in Scripture that tells us that one needs the COC to be saved. If you can do this -- you may have a convert.

Do I feel safe? You bet. For I have salvation based upon Ephesians 2:8-9 and guaranteed by John 3:16, John 6:47, etc.

But, if you are happy wallowing in misplaced humor or legalism -- God bless you.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill


Bro. Bill,

You make the same argument , that is, your way is the only way and everyone else is wrong.

Why am I not allowed to make the same claim?
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Originally posted by Bill Gray:
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Originally posted by buffalo:
Bro. Bill, I hate to be the one But since BeternU is not going to do it I must say it.

If you do not excuse your self from the doctrine you espouse and have your self added to the COC you are going to hell along with the likes of bjbg & slim. Gofish &Uno are already shoo-ins for brimstone city.

Hi Buffalo, It is always difficult to tell if you are being facetious -- or if you are sometimes sincere.

Simple solution. Show me, anywhere in the Bible, where we can find the COC in Scripture. And, show me anywhere in Scripture that tells us that one needs the COC to be saved. If you can do this -- you may have a convert.

Do I feel safe? You bet. For I have salvation based upon Ephesians 2:8-9 and guaranteed by John 3:16, John 6:47, etc.

But, if you are happy wallowing in misplaced humor or legalism -- God bless you.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day, Bill

Bro. Bill,

You make the same argument, that is, your way is the only way and everyone else is wrong.

Why am I not allowed to make the same claim?

Hi Buffalo,

Actually, it is NEITHER Bill's way NOR is it Buffalo's way. It is God's Way! It is the Bible's Way! It is Jesus Christ, the Way, the Truth, the Life (John 14:6).

So, since Jesus Christ tells us in John 3:16 and very clearly in John 6:47, "He who believes HAS eternal life" -- and since He died for all of us -- I would say it is His church -- and not any Baptist, COC, or any other church -- we need for salvation.

The fist sign of a cult church is when a church declares their church to be the ONLY way to salvation. That is a really BIG red flag -- with a big "C" on it -- and the "C" does not stand for Christ.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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The fist sign of a cult church is when a church declares their church to be the ONLY way to salvation. That is a really BIG red flag -- with a big "C" on it -- and the "C" does not stand for Christ.



Bro Bill’

Where exactly do you find proof of this claim?

Not restricting you to the Bible to back up this statement ;just any authority will do even if it’s yours ; I’ll take that and if you wouldn’t object I will quote you if I ever am pressed on the same issue.
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The fist sign of a cult church is when a church declares their church to be the ONLY way to salvation. That is a really BIG red flag -- with a big "C" on it -- and the "C" does not stand for Christ.

Bro Bill,

Where exactly do you find proof of this claim?

Not restricting you to the Bible to back up this statement ;just any authority will do even if it’s yours ; I’ll take that and if you wouldn’t object I will quote you if I ever am pressed on the same issue.

Hi Buffalo,

Let's reverse that. You show me anywhere that we are told that any ONE church is the ONLY Way to salvation. On what does your COC base its claim of being the ONLY true church?

As a matter of fact, on what could ANY church make that claim?

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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[quoteBY BRO. BILL.]The fist sign of a cult church is when a church declares their church to be the ONLY way to salvation. That is a really BIG red flag -- with a big "C" on it -- and the "C" does not stand for Christ.[/quote]


Bro. Bill,

That’s not fair atall.

You made a claim that should have some scientific study as it’s foundation.

If there is NO study as to your claim and you simply made it on some authority, possibly a dictionary, the Bible or some other reference; rather than have me search endless possibilities tell me where you come to the conclusion. Like I said if it is your research alone ; that’s ok; I will accept that but I reserve the option to disagree.
Mad

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