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Whether Roy Moore or Doug Jones wins I'll be glad it's over, at least for now and until next November.  All the robo-calls and filling of my mailbox with tons of political ads slamming both candidates and telling how horrible they will be and make the Nation if they are elected.  Politics has to be one of the most nasty and horrible jobs and things people have to deal with as it gets so personal.  

So I'll be glad to have a short hiatus until the next round of political advertising and hopefully not to long of a hangover period from Tuesday's election.  I fear though if Moore is elected that the National Media will just not let it drop as they will then use Moore as a springboard into launching their true agenda, that of the elimination of our President due to their own inability to accept his win over their chosen candidate, Hillary Clinton who they were so sure was going to win.  

 

Be as the Bereans ( Acts 17:11 )

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SirWasabi posted:

The National Media can see through Roy Moore's BS. Alabama Republicans can't. Plain and simple to anyone outside of Alabama Republicans.

I disagree.  Most of the Alabama Republicans believe in innocence until proven guilty and have more of a problem in pronouncing the man guilty based upon what all has happened given it's timing and the already proven false information given by one of the accusers, that of the forged yearbook.  Many Alabama republicans remember the many times that the National Media, with their obvious liberal bias and agenda, have gotten things wrong and convicted innocent people in the press who later have been proven innocent by the facts.  People like Richard Jewel who was accused of being the Atlanta Bomber, Zimmerman who was said to be racist and NBC edited their 911 tape to make it appear he was just that but had to admit that they edited it and the actual 911 tape proved differently.   Like Freddy Gray in the fact that evidence proved that the Police officers didn't kill him but rather he was the unfortunate victim of his own actions in an attempt to make it look like the police harmed him.  

Then there was Michael Brown who the media started an onslaught of "Hands Up Don't Shoot" narratives leading to riots and protest and people still today believe that's the way it happened even though it's been proven that it didn't.  You have eye witnesses that lied about it and were revealed to have lied by additional credible eye witnesses who actually saw what happened.  Moore may be guilty and that is a possibility and if he is and if he did knowingly attempt to date or force himself on a 14 year old then he deserves to be removed and even prosecuted but no one knows at this point for sure.  No .. Republicans are just not so quick to convict someone on the media's reporting alone .. not in the case of a most extremely biased Liberal media with certain agendas.  

No, Alabama Republicans believe whatever the Republicans running for office tell them to believe. You, yourself, make that painfully obvious. You've completely ignored any evidence provided. Republicans, especially in Alabama, have a habit of 'holding their nose' and voting Republican, regardless of the cost to voters, as a whole.

“I believe that [abortion] is an intensely, intensely personal decision. I think anything involving a pregnancy like that has got to be a decision made between a woman and her family, her partner, her husband, her significant other, whatever, and her faith and her physician. And for decades the law has supported that. And I think by and large the people of Alabama support that. But having said that, there has also been for decades limits on late-term procedures. And those are only reserved for cases of medical necessity. And despite what everybody has said, that’s what I support and I continue to support that.”  -Doug Jones-

SirWasabi posted:

“I believe that [abortion] is an intensely, intensely personal decision. I think anything involving a pregnancy like that has got to be a decision made between a woman and her family, her partner, her husband, her significant other, whatever, and her faith and her physician. And for decades the law has supported that. And I think by and large the people of Alabama support that. But having said that, there has also been for decades limits on late-term procedures. And those are only reserved for cases of medical necessity. And despite what everybody has said, that’s what I support and I continue to support that.”  -Doug Jones-

That statement was said in followup to the boil up that came because of his first statement.  I believe this to be a politically expedient statement hedging around the issue and I believe he said what he felt the first time, with Charlie Rose, when ask.  He used the law as a cop out but his own words was that he was pro-life only after the birth of the child although he was given ample times and chances to revise that during the first interview and before he was able to sample opinion about what he actually said.  Sorry but I'm not convinced that Jones would not vote for abortion up to the actual birth even though that might mean that the arms, legs, and head are pulled apart by some gruesome doctor with forceps or pliers which is how many abortions are done, not by doctors but by murderers.  

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SirWasabi posted:

No, Alabama Republicans believe whatever the Republicans running for office tell them to believe. You, yourself, make that painfully obvious. You've completely ignored any evidence provided. Republicans, especially in Alabama, have a habit of 'holding their nose' and voting Republican, regardless of the cost to voters, as a whole.

EVIDENCE?  WHAT EVIDENCE?  Please cite the evidence because speaking from the standpoint of what could be admitted into court I have yet to see any credible evidence.  I'm open to listen and consider any evidence that there is but all I have seen is people so ready to convict and sentence Roy Moore without a trial or any benefit of the doubt and all of it politically motivated and politically driven.  

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gbrk posted:
SirWasabi posted:

No, Alabama Republicans believe whatever the Republicans running for office tell them to believe. You, yourself, make that painfully obvious. You've completely ignored any evidence provided. Republicans, especially in Alabama, have a habit of 'holding their nose' and voting Republican, regardless of the cost to voters, as a whole.

EVIDENCE?  WHAT EVIDENCE?  Please cite the evidence because speaking from the standpoint of what could be admitted into court I have yet to see any credible evidence.  

9+ women with similar stories, Who never met before the stories broke.

Handwriting expert on Moore's signature.

Moore's lie of 'I don't know these women', which he later walked back.

The people of the town in which the incidents took place.

The mall records where Moore was known to harass young girls.

 

SirWasabi posted:
gbrk posted:
SirWasabi posted:

No, Alabama Republicans believe whatever the Republicans running for office tell them to believe. You, yourself, make that painfully obvious. You've completely ignored any evidence provided. Republicans, especially in Alabama, have a habit of 'holding their nose' and voting Republican, regardless of the cost to voters, as a whole.

EVIDENCE?  WHAT EVIDENCE?  Please cite the evidence because speaking from the standpoint of what could be admitted into court I have yet to see any credible evidence.  

9+ women with similar stories, Who never met before the stories broke.

Handwriting expert on Moore's signature.

Moore's lie of 'I don't know these women', which he later walked back.

The people of the town in which the incidents took place.

The mall records where Moore was known to harass young girls.

 

I bet you've purchased many a bridge in your narcissistic life

Kraven posted:
SirWasabi posted:
gbrk posted:
SirWasabi posted:

No, Alabama Republicans believe whatever the Republicans running for office tell them to believe. You, yourself, make that painfully obvious. You've completely ignored any evidence provided. Republicans, especially in Alabama, have a habit of 'holding their nose' and voting Republican, regardless of the cost to voters, as a whole.

EVIDENCE?  WHAT EVIDENCE?  Please cite the evidence because speaking from the standpoint of what could be admitted into court I have yet to see any credible evidence.  

9+ women with similar stories, Who never met before the stories broke.

Handwriting expert on Moore's signature.

Moore's lie of 'I don't know these women', which he later walked back.

The people of the town in which the incidents took place.

The mall records where Moore was known to harass young girls.

 

I bet you've purchased many a bridge in your narcissistic life

You really are this ignorant, aren't you?

SirWasabi posted:
gbrk posted:
SirWasabi posted:

No, Alabama Republicans believe whatever the Republicans running for office tell them to believe. You, yourself, make that painfully obvious. You've completely ignored any evidence provided. Republicans, especially in Alabama, have a habit of 'holding their nose' and voting Republican, regardless of the cost to voters, as a whole.

EVIDENCE?  WHAT EVIDENCE?  Please cite the evidence because speaking from the standpoint of what could be admitted into court I have yet to see any credible evidence.  

9+ women with similar stories, Who never met before the stories broke.

That's not evidence that is accusations and most was accusations of activity that was not illegal.  He kissed one wrongly or didn't continue to date another or talked to someone in a way they didn't like.  The only real thing that would be illegal would be actions taken to the underage girl and then there is so much unknown that no one knows if it happened as stated or not.  There is plenty of reason for Doubt but either way NONE OF THAT is Evidence.  Still no evidence!

Handwriting expert on Moore's signature.

The yearbook is not evidence but a faked attempt to sway opinion and bias people.  The girl didn't make notes but she attempted to defraud Moore.  She KNEW when the original accusation was made that Moore didn't write that but she put before the public, through tears, that he did sign it, all of it, which she knew to be a lie.  She cannot be trusted nor can her motives.  This evidence would never see a day in court given the actions by the accuser.  Again NO credible evidence.

Moore's lie of 'I don't know these women', which he later walked back.

You know I can't remember what I had for lunch yesterday and I sure can't remember all the girls I ever dated back in my younger days and sad to day there wasn't that many.  It is an important thing when someone is accusing you and I do believe that Moore does remember the girl that said she was 14 but I also know Moore remembered enough to reveal that the one accuser falsified the yearbook in an attempt to make it look as if Moore did something he didn't.  As for the girl that was 14 at the time there is a lot more there to warrant Doubt, reasonable doubt to believe that Moore may have been misled about her age.  If he was a real deviant or pervert I guarantee you the girl would have not got away with just a touch but he would have violated her and most reasonable people would understand that.  Also most reasonable people would question if someone is abusing you why would a person go out of their way to get out of their house, away from their supervision, and make a second date just to be abused again.  Doubt .. there is reasonable doubt in my mind and I believe in others also.

The people of the town in which the incidents took place.

That is not evidence.  People are biased based on political differences and even today politicians all over have people that say things about them that aren't true yet are politically motivated and that effects Democrats as well as Republicans.  There are too many people with biased agendas to accept as evidence sufficient enough to ruin a person's career.  If we are going to do that then NO politician, Democrat or Republican need run for office for there will aways be biased and false accusers.

The mall records where Moore was known to harass young girls.  

The initial statements were wrong as Moore was not banned from the mall as was initially reported.  Yes it was known that he would visit the mall often and yes it was known that he preferred to date younger women and he even married a younger girl but then that is not illegal and the charge of harassment is highly subjective.  If there was real harassment then where is the police report, as there should have been?  Again this is something that is easily charged but after all this time hard to prove and like the term racism is often misused in attempts to harm a person that is actually not guilty of the charges made.   

All I have said goes to a person deserving the benefit of the doubt.  The purposely falsified yearbook in an attempt to make her case stronger but ended up backfiring. The unknowns surrounding the then 14 year old girl such as her attempting to fit in with the older crowd, going after older boys (admitted by her), potential of her acting older and saying she was older than she was to accomplish her goal of going with the older boys and the fact that she was never really violated even though she was in her underwear, and then deliberately sneaking out a second time in order to see Roy Moore whom she said abused her.  All this was in her control and although you can't do anything about the first time you sure could keep from sneaking out a second time to be with the person you say is abusing you.   Sorry but there is just too much there to warrant doubt that not all the truth has been told.

 

 

The mall records where Moore was known to harass young girls.  

The initial statements were wrong as Moore was not banned from the mall as was initially reported.  Yes it was known that he would visit the mall often and yes it was known that he preferred to date younger women and he even married a younger girl but then that is not illegal and the charge of harassment is highly subjective.  If there was real harassment then where is the police report, as there should have been?  Again this is something that is easily charged but after all this time hard to prove and like the term racism is often misused in attempts to harm a person that is actually not guilty of the charges made.   

The manager of that mall during the time span that this was supposed to have happened is retired and in his 80s. He said it never happened, it's all a lie, and he is voting for Moore.

SirWasabi posted:

Bottom line. Nothing will be good enough for you to see proof. Roy Moore supports your line of thinking.

Yes, for the most part, legislatively speaking, Roy Moore does represent and support my personal ( Conservative ) line of thinking.   Don't make the mistake though believing that I approve of taking advantage of an underage teen as I don't but I don't believe that's what Roy Moore did or I am not convicted that there is evidence he did.  

I also, as a Christian, might, as Moore does, associate myself with the Christian religion I, in no way, favor any type of theocracy.  Our Constitution made a separation, as well as protection, of Religion from Government and of all the concerns that I have with Roy Moore that one is more prevalent than a concern that he abused underage teens/girls.  We are not a theocracy and I don't want a Roy Moore victory to embolden Roy Moore into thinking that he is on some kind of Christian mission to Christianize the Senate.  I believe the Christian faith had a lot to do to influence our Nation's construction, belief, and laws but that our founders were wise enough to separate Religion from Government and establish government rules apart from religion.  Respect and protect religion, and Christians, but not dictate religion and beliefs.  

No, again I'll try and explain.  Roy Moore represents a conservative philosophy and agenda with conservative principals.  I like that he is conservative in his voting and I expect that he will support Trump's initiatives and plans regarding taxes, the border wall and immigration policies.  I believe he is strong on defense and the military and will promote spending to keep our military strong and among the Worlds most elite.  I also believe he will vote to approve the Constitutional minded conservative judges that Trump has and will appoint and I feel he will support the reduction or removal of the many needless restrictions placed upon businesses that have hampered their growth.

What I did not like about Roy Moore was his move to continue in office even while disregarding the courts rulings regarding same sex marriages.  I'm not in favor of same sex marriages and I'm against them.  IF same sex partners want to have the same benefits of those married people that's fine and a function of the Government but Marriage, to me, is not something that should be redefined for their purpose.  I also am fearful, although I don't know, that Roy Moore may attempt to mix Religion and Government causing problems in and while doing so.  He may not and that may be blown out of proportion but I worry that the tendency will be there.  

I have no problem with Moore representing the Christian position or being open about his faith but I do not want moves to create a theocracy which our Constitution prohibits.   I also want to see Religion protected as is covered and addressed in the First Amendment as well.  Roy's association with young (LEGAL) girls bothers me not for many men prefer younger girls.  I do not believe he went after those that were too young and illegal though.  I believe if he did have interaction with the 14 year old, at that time, then it was because she lied to him about her age and led him on to believe and accept she was older than she actually was.  I do not believe Roy Moore would consciously date a girl under the legal age even though he was a Democrat at that time.  If I did believe he would do that and did that then I could not vote for him in good faith but I just don't believe the case has been made that he did that.   I do believe electing a Republican is very important and believe that Doug Jones would be a total obstructionist against Donald Trump's agenda and vote 100% with the Democrats all the time regardless of what he says in his ads.  I also don't like his abortion stance but other than those things I don't think he is any worse than many of the others. 

Kraven posted:
GB, SirThug would like to throw the country to the raggies and
Soros people, he isn't American oriented, he's pushing 90 yrs
old and couldn't care less what the true patriots end up with as
long as it isn't American controlled. He is a alinsky/mobumba
disciple........ 

So, let's see, Kraven, if "pushing 90" is a fault in your world, that would make it perfectly acceptable to consider one's bad grammar and syntax indicative of inferior intelligence, meaning he or she isn't mentally capable of casting an informed vote? Is that about right? Shall we start with your run-on sentence in this post or shall we compile a list of your previous posts?

 

FVPOA posted:
Kraven posted:
GB, SirThug would like to throw the country to the raggies and
Soros people, he isn't American oriented, he's pushing 90 yrs
old and couldn't care less what the true patriots end up with as
long as it isn't American controlled. He is a alinsky/mobumba
disciple........ 

So, let's see, Kraven, if "pushing 90" is a fault in your world, that would make it perfectly acceptable to consider one's bad grammar and syntax indicative of inferior intelligence, meaning he or she isn't mentally capable of casting an informed vote? Is that about right? Shall we start with your run-on sentence in this post or shall we compile a list of your previous posts?

 

I'm at a loss for words to let you know how much I don't give a damm
what you think, say or do. If your comprehension of my post is subpar
don't read me. My grammar isn't a thing here and I ain't changing it
in spite of all your nose sucking whining.
 
So, let's see, Kate, I said what I said and I'll say it again if I need to.
You might think of another not so stupid reason to jump, be more
creative...??
SirWasabi posted:

I'll tell you what's funny. I'm not even pushing 50, yet. I have no clue who 'Condie' is or why this fool crow believes me to be whoever. I also have a hard time decoding whatever the fool crow is saying without my 'super secret idiot speech decoder ring.'

Anyone involved in this forum with you before you had your
snot nose meltdown, cried like a baby monkey and stomped
off because your **** Helda was as stupid as you politically.
Everyone is familiar with your self obsessed conceited attitude
toward all others participating and your style of writing.
It doesn't matter how much you lie about it, condie, it's you.
Too ignorant to see it... idiot  
direstraits posted:

Last time I saw so much bull (from Condie/Green Mustard), I was running down a street in Pamplona.  Yes, I was much younger, a bit faster, and a bit foolish. 

Maybe after today, win or lose, he and large and in charge will go back into their holes. Something about the COC, it makes them nasty with an overblown sense of their importance.

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Kraven posted:
FVPOA posted:
Kraven posted:
GB, SirThug would like to throw the country to the raggies and
Soros people, he isn't American oriented, he's pushing 90 yrs
old and couldn't care less what the true patriots end up with as
long as it isn't American controlled. He is a alinsky/mobumba
disciple........ 

So, let's see, Kraven, if "pushing 90" is a fault in your world, that would make it perfectly acceptable to consider one's bad grammar and syntax indicative of inferior intelligence, meaning he or she isn't mentally capable of casting an informed vote? Is that about right? Shall we start with your run-on sentence in this post or shall we compile a list of your previous posts?

 

I'm at a loss for words to let you know how much I don't give a damm
what you think, say or do. If your comprehension of my post is subpar
don't read me. My grammar isn't a thing here and I ain't changing it
in spite of all your nose sucking whining.
 
So, let's see, Kate, I said what I said and I'll say it again if I need to.
You might think of another not so stupid reason to jump, be more
creative...??

Ha!👍

Maybe they should have just gone back to allowing the State legislatures to nominate/elect each State's senators rather than the electorate as anymore, the way our educational system has declined, we are allowing more and more people to vote on candidates purely on a superficial, beauty pageant type, way rather than on issues and actual job performance or experience.  I'm also wondering the wisdom of a six year term for Senator as well.  Ah but I have no expertise in that area so I'll just give my opinion and step back.    

With all the varied and opposite opinions and points of view in here if you ever did have two forum members "get together" you'd either have a horrible killing or the most passionate, pig rutting in mud, episode that they'd have to sell tickets and ban it in all but two states event/episode.  

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giftedamateur posted:
direstraits posted:

Last time I saw so much bull (from Condie/Green Mustard), I was running down a street in Pamplona.  Yes, I was much younger, a bit faster, and a bit foolish. 

Maybe after today, win or lose, he and large and in charge will go back into their holes. Something about the COC, it makes them nasty with an overblown sense of their importance.

How about the coc attracts the already mean and nasty with their egotism running amok.

Old American posted:

Please don't classify an entire group just because some are bad. There are bad apples in any group whether it be CoC, atheists, Baptist, Methodist, democrats, republicans or any group.  No one or no group is perfect.

IDK, CoCs are pretty bad. Then again, you're trying to talk to the 'anything but a Democrat' crowd.

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