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I wonder if working democrats took a payroll cut through Obama's tax increases or if it was only a tax on the Republicans? I sure haven't heard any outrage from the democrats. I guess the middle class is part of the top 3% huh.......I guess the "No tax increase on the middle class" was misstated by one of Obama's subordinates, there's no way Obama could have been responsible for tellin the American people one thing and doing another........is there?

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It wasn't a large amount.   I wish I had it though, but it wasn't an immense loss.   But seeing how the conservatives champion everything Reagan did, I am surprised there is any complaining from the right.   After all, according to politifact.com the tax burden is less under Obama than under Reagan.

 

From Politifact:

 

"The foundation's expected tax burden for 2010 is 26.9 percent, up slightly from the 2009 tax burden of 26.6 percent. (This is not unusual: The tax burden typically falls during recessions, as taxpayers move to lower tax brackets.)"

 

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"Under Eisenhower, that figure ranged from 24.8 percent to 27.7 percent, with the figure lower than 26.9 percent for seven out of eight years. So by this measurement, the tax burden was lower most of the time under Eisenhower.

 

Under Reagan, it ranged from 29.2 percent to 31.1 percent, meaning that in all eight years it was higher than the current tax burden under Obama."

 

http://www.politifact.com/trut...er-today-under-reag/

 

Now, I can wait while Jobe pontificates on how politifact must be some rancid liberal rag. 

 

But Monkey, the cost of living was by far less than it is now! Gasoline was cheaper, milk was cheaper, plus you didn't have the "necessaties" you have now, i.e. cell phone, internet, etc.

It's bunk to think we've got it better under this sucker's rein simply because the tax rate PERCENTAGE is lower than it was under Reagan! You may not be saying we've got it better, but there's no sense in defending the increase, if it hurts you financially. Regardless of what libs think of Reagan, this country as a whole's most prosperous years was during his terms in office!

Originally Posted by Practicalthinker:

But Monkey, the cost of living was by far less than it is now! Gasoline was cheaper, milk was cheaper, plus you didn't have the "necessaties" you have now, i.e. cell phone, internet, etc.

It's bunk to think we've got it better under this sucker's rein simply because the tax rate PERCENTAGE is lower than it was under Reagan! You may not be saying we've got it better, but there's no sense in defending the increase, if it hurts you financially. Regardless of what libs think of Reagan, this country as a whole's most prosperous years was during his terms in office!


LOL Whew almost hurt myself laughing at that! Did you live through the Reagan years? What year were you born?

 

Originally Posted by Jobe:

Working democrat? Does it exist?

Yes they exist! I've worked hard to have what I have, and yes I am a Democrat, a conservative Democract but still a Democrat. You have got to learn that Democrats are not the boogie man. Liberals are what you don't like, learn the difference. Education can be your friend.


 

Originally Posted by Practicalthinker:

But Monkey, the cost of living was by far less than it is now! Gasoline was cheaper, milk was cheaper, plus you didn't have the "necessaties" you have now, i.e. cell phone, internet, etc.

It's bunk to think we've got it better under this sucker's rein simply because the tax rate PERCENTAGE is lower than it was under Reagan! You may not be saying we've got it better, but there's no sense in defending the increase, if it hurts you financially. Regardless of what libs think of Reagan, this country as a whole's most prosperous years was during his terms in office!

 

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I don't know how old you are, but my paycheck was cheaper then, too -- by about 2/3. And no, I didn't find a better paying job. It's just that the price of everything has just about tripled since 1980. A brand new Cadillac was $18,000. Gas was inching up past $1 a gallon. We could buy a week's groceries with two $20 bills. 

 

So, yes, percentages matter because dollar amounts for anything you care to talk about aren't nearly the same.

 

Very well put DHS!  The working folks have been forgotten by both parties.  The last few elections, I have had to vote based on the least liberal person running for office.  Then again politicains lie, so I have been disapinted several times.  If you think either one of the parties in power right now are gonna make the donors mad, you are dumb enough to be a liberal.

Originally Posted by DHS-86:
Originally Posted by Jobe:

Working democrat? Does it exist?

As a matter of fact, I know more people who claim to be Republican living off the government than I do Democrats. Alot have been drawing disability since they were working age and decided they didn't like working.


 

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 Well thanks for answering my question.

Originally Posted by Bestworking:

As a matter of fact, I know more people who claim to be Republican living off the government than I do Democrats. Alot have been drawing disability since they were working age and decided they didn't like working.


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Pardon me if I say I don't believe that for one minute.

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I really don't care if you believe it or not. I have arguments with them all the time when they start that crap about democrats living off the government. When I say they don't appear disabled while they are out cutting firewood, playing golf, playing softball, push mowing grass, building decks, working on cars, moving furniture, cleaning gutters, painting houses, etc all they can say is "F*** You!" And most are doing a lot of these things and getting paid under the table so their disability check, from the government, dosen't stop. ALL claim to be Republican.

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Originally Posted by DHS-86:
Originally Posted by Bestworking:

As a matter of fact, I know more people who claim to be Republican living off the government than I do Democrats. Alot have been drawing disability since they were working age and decided they didn't like working.


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Pardon me if I say I don't believe that for one minute.

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I really don't care if you believe it or not. I have arguments with them all the time when they start that crap about democrats living off the government. When I say they don't appear disabled while they are out cutting firewood, playing golf, playing softball, push mowing grass, building decks, working on cars, moving furniture, cleaning gutters, painting houses, etc all they can say is "F*** You!" And most are doing a lot of these things and getting paid under the table so their disability check, from the government, dosen't stop. ALL claim to be Republican.

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Uh huh, sure.

Originally Posted by Bestworking:
Originally Posted by DHS-86:
Originally Posted by Bestworking:

As a matter of fact, I know more people who claim to be Republican living off the government than I do Democrats. Alot have been drawing disability since they were working age and decided they didn't like working.


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Pardon me if I say I don't believe that for one minute.

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I really don't care if you believe it or not. I have arguments with them all the time when they start that crap about democrats living off the government. When I say they don't appear disabled while they are out cutting firewood, playing golf, playing softball, push mowing grass, building decks, working on cars, moving furniture, cleaning gutters, painting houses, etc all they can say is "F*** You!" And most are doing a lot of these things and getting paid under the table so their disability check, from the government, dosen't stop. ALL claim to be Republican.

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Uh huh, sure.


Yep, it's a fact. Just because you are too blind to see doesn't mean it's not true. I find that the Republicans that receive government aid are the ones who fight the hardest to make sure they keep it. How much is your check?

 

Originally Posted by DHS-86:
Originally Posted by Bestworking:
Originally Posted by DHS-86:
Originally Posted by Bestworking:

As a matter of fact, I know more people who claim to be Republican living off the government than I do Democrats. Alot have been drawing disability since they were working age and decided they didn't like working.


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Pardon me if I say I don't believe that for one minute.

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I really don't care if you believe it or not. I have arguments with them all the time when they start that crap about democrats living off the government. When I say they don't appear disabled while they are out cutting firewood, playing golf, playing softball, push mowing grass, building decks, working on cars, moving furniture, cleaning gutters, painting houses, etc all they can say is "F*** You!" And most are doing a lot of these things and getting paid under the table so their disability check, from the government, dosen't stop. ALL claim to be Republican.

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Uh huh, sure.


Yep, it's a fact. Just because you are too blind to see doesn't mean it's not true. I find that the Republicans that receive government aid are the ones who fight the hardest to make sure they keep it. How much is your check?

 

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The ones that fight the hardest to make sure they keep it, meaning money they aren't entitled to? That would be a democrat. MY check depends on the amount of business/work we do. Sorry, you will never make me believe that republicans are the ones mostly on the dole.  Why would a republican vote against fraud and wasteful spending, something you dems love, in government give away programs, IF they're benefiting from it? Do you dems ever think before you post? I mean EVER??

Originally Posted by Bestworking:
Originally Posted by DHS-86:
Originally Posted by Bestworking:
Originally Posted by DHS-86:
Originally Posted by Bestworking:

As a matter of fact, I know more people who claim to be Republican living off the government than I do Democrats. Alot have been drawing disability since they were working age and decided they didn't like working.


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Pardon me if I say I don't believe that for one minute.

****************************************************

I really don't care if you believe it or not. I have arguments with them all the time when they start that crap about democrats living off the government. When I say they don't appear disabled while they are out cutting firewood, playing golf, playing softball, push mowing grass, building decks, working on cars, moving furniture, cleaning gutters, painting houses, etc all they can say is "F*** You!" And most are doing a lot of these things and getting paid under the table so their disability check, from the government, dosen't stop. ALL claim to be Republican.

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Uh huh, sure.


Yep, it's a fact. Just because you are too blind to see doesn't mean it's not true. I find that the Republicans that receive government aid are the ones who fight the hardest to make sure they keep it. How much is your check?

 

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The ones that fight the hardest to make sure they keep it, meaning money they aren't entitled to? That would be a democrat. MY check depends on the amount of business/work we do. Sorry, you will never make me believe that republicans are the ones mostly on the dole.  Why would a republican vote against fraud and wasteful spending, something you dems love, in government give away programs, IF they're benefiting from it? Do you dems ever think before you post? I mean EVER??


Don't lump all Democrats together. I don't like government giveaway programs. Do you want all Republicans lumped together? I hope not! That wouldn't say very much for your integrity or intelligence. I never said that Republicans are mostly on the dole. Maybe you need to practice what you preach in the other parts of this forum and sharpen your comprehension skills. I said that "I" know more people, who claim to be Republican, on government assistance than I do those who are Democrats. Yes, I think before everything I post. Which is more than I can say for you since you can't simply read a post and reply to it's actual content without screwing up.

Don't lump all Democrats together. I don't like government giveaway programs. Do you want all Republicans lumped together? I hope not! That wouldn't say very much for your integrity or intelligence. I never said that Republicans are mostly on the dole. Maybe you need to practice what you preach in the other parts of this forum and sharpen your comprehension skills. I said that "I" know more people, who claim to be Republican, on government assistance than I do those who are Democrats. Yes, I think before everything I post. Which is more than I can say for you since you can't simply read a post and reply to it's actual content without screwing up.

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 You're trying to tell me that you know people who claim to be republicans but practice politics as democrats. Sorry, I don't believe that. Who would claim they are a republican, yet have the politics of a democrat? Makes no sense.  I don't believe you know a lot of republicans that are taking money they aren't entitled to take, because, once again, that would make them a democrat.


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As far as intelligence and integrity, your statement- How much is your check? -tells me all I need to know about yours.

 


Originally Posted by DHS-86:
Originally Posted by Jobe:

Working democrat? Does it exist?

As a matter of fact, I know more people who claim to be Republican living off the government than I do Democrats. Alot have been drawing disability since they were working age and decided they didn't like working.


 

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As a matter of fact, so do I, but that may be because most of the people I know are from Alabama and Mississippi. 

Got a friend, always ranting about Democrats living on the gomment dime. His mother, however, is in a nursing home paid entirely by Medicade, because he and his siblings made sure she didn't own anything so they wouldn't have to pay for her care. (Actually , I know several people like that) Another really good friend, his wife had Alzheimers, and although he is a strong Republican, made sure he finagled the system so that his wife could be on Medicade in the nursing home.   

As far as to the state level, one would look at a map of which states pay more into the fed coffers than they get back, and which ones get back more than they pay,. If that is an indication, it is the Democrats that are the workers in this country, and the Republicans are the lazy , shiftless, on the dole bunch.

As far as to the state level, one would look at a map of which states pay more into the fed coffers than they get back, and which ones get back more than they pay,. If that is an indication, it is the Democrats that are the workers in this country, and the Republicans are the lazy , shiftless, on the dole bunch.

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Then the dems are going to have to drop their argument that republicans hate the poor and don't want to support them, and that only republicans are rich and evil. Rotfl

Originally Posted by Bestworking:

As far as to the state level, one would look at a map of which states pay more into the fed coffers than they get back, and which ones get back more than they pay,. If that is an indication, it is the Democrats that are the workers in this country, and the Republicans are the lazy , shiftless, on the dole bunch.

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Then the dems are going to have to drop their argument that republicans hate the poor and don't want to support them, and that only republicans are rich and evil. Rotfl

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Wrong again, Best. It REINFORCES all that is said about the majority of Republicans. They will use any means neccessary to avoid paying for things like nursing homes and such. That's why they are assumed rich is because they freak if any of their own money has to be spent. They will hide money to avoid paying taxes, sell off all of their elderly parents stuff to ensure they get medicaid, etc. LIE, CHEAT & STEAL!!!! The new Republican mantra!

Originally Posted by Bestworking:

Don't lump all Democrats together. I don't like government giveaway programs. Do you want all Republicans lumped together? I hope not! That wouldn't say very much for your integrity or intelligence. I never said that Republicans are mostly on the dole. Maybe you need to practice what you preach in the other parts of this forum and sharpen your comprehension skills. I said that "I" know more people, who claim to be Republican, on government assistance than I do those who are Democrats. Yes, I think before everything I post. Which is more than I can say for you since you can't simply read a post and reply to it's actual content without screwing up.

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 You're trying to tell me that you know people who claim to be republicans but practice politics as democrats. Sorry, I don't believe that. Who would claim they are a republican, yet have the politics of a democrat? Makes no sense.  I don't believe you know a lot of republicans that are taking money they aren't entitled to take, because, once again, that would make them a democrat.


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As far as intelligence and integrity, your statement- How much is your check? -tells me all I need to know about yours.

 


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My intelligence level and my integrity is very high. Sorry you can't say the same.

Originally Posted by DHS-86:
Originally Posted by Bestworking:

 You're trying to tell me that you know people who claim to be republicans but practice politics as democrats. Sorry, I don't believe that. Who would claim they are a republican, yet have the politics of a democrat? Makes no sense.  I don't believe you know a lot of republicans that are taking money they aren't entitled to take, because, once again, that would make them a democrat.


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That's not politics of a Democrat, that is the thinking of parasites. Guess what? Both sides have them. And here in good ole Alabama, most of the freeloading parasites indentify themselves as Republicans.

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My intelligence level and my integrity is very high. Sorry you can't say the same.


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Oh but I can. You're the one getting all bent out of shape, not me. I said I didn't believe you, you went straight to the "how much is your check", then turned right around and said you weren't lumping all republicans in together. Really? Make up your mind.  I'm a republican, you asked how much was my check, but that's not lumping us all together?  

Originally Posted by Bestworking:

My intelligence level and my integrity is very high. Sorry you can't say the same.


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Oh but I can. You're the one getting all bent out of shape, not me. I said I didn't believe you, you went straight to the "how much is your check", then turned right around and said you weren't lumping all republicans in together. Really? Make up your mind.  I'm a republican, you asked how much was my check, but that's not lumping us all together?  

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Nope it's not. Sorry that comment about the was snide. But like I said, in my experience, I know more Republicans receiving handouts than I do Democrats. Simply statement, and from MY experiences. I doesn't matter if you believe it, because I know it to be the truth. Like I said, not neccessarily the whole nation, but within the people I have come directly in contact with.

DHS - i am horrible about banding all democrats together in my posts, something i need to work on.  But i am afraid your party has been over run by liberals like the tea party tried to overrun the republican party.  It does seem that your parties platform has shifted and panders to the group that does not believe in personal repsonsibility.  Just my opinion from the outside looking in......

EVERY CASE of "welfare fraud" the republicans worry about ... could be paid, with little effect, by just ONE CASE of "corporate welfare", supported by the republican party.  how in the world do the republicans equate the party of the "unions" and the workers, the "give me" party? at what point did the republicans lose sight of reality?

Originally Posted by Bestworking:

As a matter of fact, I know more people who claim to be Republican living off the government than I do Democrats. Alot have been drawing disability since they were working age and decided they didn't like working.


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Pardon me if I say I don't believe that for one minute.

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I also didn’t believe it. All I hear when I’m around a democrat is how the government should be taxing the rich more so they could get more. BTW, they can never define rich.

Originally Posted by Jobe:
Originally Posted by Bestworking:

As a matter of fact, I know more people who claim to be Republican living off the government than I do Democrats. Alot have been drawing disability since they were working age and decided they didn't like working.


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Pardon me if I say I don't believe that for one minute.

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I also didn’t believe it. All I hear when I’m around a democrat is how the government should be taxing the rich more so they could get more. BTW, they can never define rich.

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Like I told Best, I really couldn't care less what you believe. I am talking about my personal experiences. Get over it.

Originally Posted by DHS-86:
Originally Posted by Jobe:
Originally Posted by Bestworking:

As a matter of fact, I know more people who claim to be Republican living off the government than I do Democrats. Alot have been drawing disability since they were working age and decided they didn't like working.


===============

Pardon me if I say I don't believe that for one minute.

________________________________________________________

I also didn’t believe it. All I hear when I’m around a democrat is how the government should be taxing the rich more so they could get more. BTW, they can never define rich.

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Like I told Best, I really couldn't care less what you believe. I am talking about my personal experiences. Get over it.

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I couldn't care less that you couldn't care less. I was talking to Best.

I know several people who vote Republican and also are either on some form of welfare or have had it many times in the past. Those that vote Republican yet have used the safety net programs almost always are voting Republican for other reasons. They have bought into the idea that big corporate America is going to give them jobs if corporations are allowed to keep all their money without paying a fair share of taxes, or receive corporate welfare. They have been conned into believing that trickle down economics works. Many of them also vote Republican because they are against abortion rights. Or they believe that Democrats want to take all their guns away. I know this is a touchy subject here on the forums (and elsewhere) but you also have a group of people that vote Republican because they are racist. Before the denials start, just research it for yourself. I worked as a bartender at my sisters restaurant last year and had to sit and listen to many talking about that n***** in the White House. I heard it everyday. Then you have those that believe President Obama is a Muslim and they vote Republican because they have a fear of that. Then you have those that have issues with giving gays equal rights. There are many reasons other than welfare that make some people choose the Republican party.

 

 Most of my personal experiences with Republicans are those that have issues with womens rights, gay rights, and a warped sense of patriotism where they believe our President is in cahoots with the enemy. Most of the Republicans I know are uneducated and very very religious.

 

I only "know" two people that are Republican and atheist. I know A LOT of atheist but only 2 that vote for the party that would deny them equal rights based on their lack of religious beliefs. I can't understand that kind of thinking. Why would anyone vote for a party that treats them as second class citizens?

 

These are my personal experiences as DHS said, whether you believe it or not doesn't really matter.

 

There are some here in this forum that I don't believe are racist, against homosexual rights, or womens rights. I believe they just have a different idea of how our economy should be handled. To me they are the reasonable and educated Republicans. Their reasons for voting for that party are not based on any of the things I have observed in real life. I just wish there were more like that and less of the uneducated, racist, theocratic types.

Originally Posted by Jobe:
Originally Posted by DHS-86:
Originally Posted by Jobe:
Originally Posted by Bestworking:

As a matter of fact, I know more people who claim to be Republican living off the government than I do Democrats. Alot have been drawing disability since they were working age and decided they didn't like working.


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Pardon me if I say I don't believe that for one minute.

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I also didn’t believe it. All I hear when I’m around a democrat is how the government should be taxing the rich more so they could get more. BTW, they can never define rich.

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Like I told Best, I really couldn't care less what you believe. I am talking about my personal experiences. Get over it.

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I couldn't care less that you couldn't care less. I was talking to Best.

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Its a public forum Jobe. We can all see your post. LOL If you wanted to only talk to Best you probably should have PMed her.

Originally Posted by Crash.Override:

EVERY CASE of "welfare fraud" the republicans worry about ... could be paid, with little effect, by just ONE CASE of "corporate welfare", supported by the republican party.  how in the world do the republicans equate the party of the "unions" and the workers, the "give me" party? at what point did the republicans lose sight of reality?

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Medicare Fraud Wins in Fiscal Cliff Bill





ust two weeks after pleading guilty in a major federal fraud case, Amgen, the world's largest biotechnology firm, scored a largely unnoticed coup on Capitol Hill: Lawmakers inserted a paragraph into the "fiscal cliff" bill that did not mention the company by name but strongly favored one of its drugs.

 

The language buried in Section 632 of the law delays a set of Medicare price restraints on a class of drugs that includes Sensipar, a lucrative Amgen pill used by kidney dialysis patients.

 

The provision gives Amgen an additional two years to sell Sensipar without government controls. The news was so welcome that the company's chief executive quickly relayed it to investment analysts. But it is projected to cost Medicare up to $500 million over that period.

 

Amgen, which has a small army of 74 lobbyists in the capital, was the only company to argue aggressively for the delay, according to several Congressional aides of both parties.

 

Supporters of the delay, primarily leaders of the Senate Finance Committee who have long benefited from Amgen's political largess, said it was necessary to allow regulators to prepare properly for the pricing change.

 

But critics, including several Congressional aides who were stunned to find the measure in the final bill, pointed out that Amgen had already won a previous two-year delay, and they depicted a second one as an unnecessary giveaway.

 

"That is why we are in the trouble we are in," said Dennis J. Cotter, a health policy researcher who studies the cost and efficacy of dialysis drugs. "Everybody is carving out their own turf and getting it protected, and we pass the bill on to the taxpayer."

 

http://readersupportednews.org...in-fiscal-cliff-bill


See also:

U.S. Rep. Peter Welch on Amgen’s Sweet Senate Deal

http://billmoyers.com/segment/...s-sweet-senate-deal/

Originally Posted by Jobe:
Originally Posted by MonkeysUncleByMarriage:

 

Now, I can wait while Jobe pontificates on how politifact must be some rancid liberal rag. 

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Politifact must be some rancid liberal rag.

 

 

 

Indisputable facts have a way of sneaking in from the strangest places!

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