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Would you vote for Hillary Clinton if she is the democratic nominee in 2008?

_Joy__Joy_Old Faithful
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Originally posted by miamizsun:
Has anyone here looked at her voting record?

Or is this just one of those issues where you'd be voting on principal alone?


I've looked at her voting record. I disagree with her in many areas. Here's two examples (Hillary voted NO to both of these):

English As National Language Amendment - Synopsis:
Vote to adopt an amendment that declares English as the national language and calls for stricter requirements in language testing and knowledge of U.S. history.

Prohibit Partial-Birth Abortion bill - Synopsis:
Vote to pass a bill that prohibits any individual from knowingly performing the procedure known as intact dilation and extraction, in which a fetus is partially delivered before it is aborted.
W WYSIWYGHall of Famer
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Originally posted by _Joy_:
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Originally posted by waltpeck:
for all you Bush haters...Prez Bush can not run again..read your Constitution...instead of watching CNN, NBC, ABC and the other Liberal outlets...


We are all aware of that. It was a hypothetical question.


I think this original post makes a great point. The liberal dems ARE running against Bush in 2008. Everything they spew out is anti-Bush, Bush did this, he didn't do that... They'll do everything they can in 2008 to make us think they are running against Bush.

It would be great to see dems and Repulicans actually debate the issues.

They are all politicians, just choosing the lesser of two evils is the best we can do.
HeubHeubHall of Famer
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Originally posted by Shoals Lover:
However, we could all wake up in Hell one day and find that he is running for Vice President under "I have a bad ticker" Richard B. "Dick" Cheney, who suddenly finds himself in afib and his defib fails... the bada-boom, bada-bing!

"W" would be prez!

I had not thought of that! Sounds like a great plan to me.

What a horrific nightmare, indeed!

Of course, it'd be more of the same... more lies, more big spending, more imcompetence.
KindredKindredOld Faithful
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Originally posted by waltpeck:
for all you Bush haters...Prez Bush can not run again..read your Constitution...instead of watching CNN, NBC, ABC and the other Liberal outlets...


OH YES... WATCH FOX, it will tell you the truth, the whole truth and NOTHING but the truth while all the other 5-6 networks will lie to you!!!!!!

C'mon, give me a break, this comment just made the top 10 on the dumb comments.

Waltpeck, what do you think people do, watch channels, then zone out like they are hyptonized ... seems like you are, if you cannot watch those stations without assumptions.

ALL ANYONE HAS TO DO IN THIS DAY AND TIME IS LOOK AROUND YOU AND SEE WHAT IS GOING ON!!! That is is, turn the TV off and WATCH the country!!! Watch your kids get older and go to war, oh and while you are at it, Archive what happened AFTER Vietnam.

Sheesh... Roll Eyes
HeubHeubHall of Famer
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Originally posted by Brentenman:
Bush respects the military a heck of alot more than Bill and Hitlery ever did.....that is a fact. I know so, as I served under both.

Second, my not voting for Hitlery does not have to do with what package is between someone's legs, whether male or female.

Very well put.

If say the U.S. had a Margaret Thatcher-type person running, I would vote for her.

Third, Bush WAS very correct, military speaking, that the end of major military operations was over on 1 May 2003. How do I know? Well, from a tactical standpoint, yes. There was no more Iraqi Army or Republican Guard left to fight. The Iraqi military machine was toast by 15 April 2003. The insurgency sprang up AFTER major conflict ended, about August 2003. Major combat operations is force-on-force operations, i.e. national army versus national army. That would consists of Phase 1-3 Operations: Phase 1: build up; Phase 2: Air Campaign; Phase 3: Ground force-on-force operations/campaign. Phase 4: post-conflict operations, to include reconstruction. So from a military standpoint, yes, mission accomplished- Iraqi army destroyed, regime overthrown. Additionally, whenever a ship comes to port, banners of that type are done at the end of the ship's cruise. That is what you saw.
HeubHeubHall of Famer
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Originally posted by Kindred_Spirit:
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Originally posted by sbobek:
Sure Bush respects the military. He respects it enought to send our young adults of to die.



AMEN, AMEN, AMEN, AMEN!!!! How right you are!!!


I suppose it would be ok for them to die on our soil had this not been nipped in the bud.
HeubHeubHall of Famer
There sure is a different feeling in Iraq among both the Iraqis and the Soldiers. I have not run into a single soldier who regretted being there. Good post Brenten.

I would vote for Condi but not Hillary. I cant believe anyone would vote for a woman who teaches youngsters that being unfaithful is ok, which is what she did when she didnt pack and leave when Wild Willie was caught with his cigar in the humidor.
_Joy__Joy_Old Faithful
It was a little ironic that she chose to "Stand By Your Man". Do you remember Hillary making that comment, which stood all the Tammy Wynette fans on their heads?

I'm not sure how this would teach a young person that unfaithfulness is okay, though, Heub. We don't know what she had to say or what she may have done to Bill in the privacy of their own home or the effect of his infidelity on their marriage and/or family, nor do I care to know.
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Shoals LoverShoals LoverHall of Famer
There's no doubt that Hillary is a polarizing figure.

Whether she could be good for the nation or not remains to be seen. So far, she has little track record as Senator from New York.

(And respecting her "Stand By Your Man" remark... there's no denying that there are many dysfunctional families, and traditionally, country music has portrayed that unhealthy element. Remember the line, "Well, I gotta' get drunk and I sure do dread it...")

What the people want is an advocate. They want their special interests defended. For too long, people have languored under a heavy burden of interests ruled by BIG BUSINESS.

I particularly like a quote found in today's Huntsville Times.

As the new Alabama Senate is forming, Lowell Barron's power as President Pro Tem is in question. He wrested power from Lt. Gov. Steve "the Jug" Windom several years ago. Perhaps you all may remember the ignominious episide. His actions made Alabama a national laughing stock.

Here's an excerpt from the story. It's all about one issue... money.

Rep. Robert Bentley, R-Tuscaloosa, recalled his first session in the Legislature and warned the newcomers against "wining and dining in Montgomery" from roughly 600 lobbyists.

"Keep yourself pure. Keep yourself away from situations that will ruin yourself and your family. There's more liquor in Montgomery than Pine Hill."

Bentley cautioned that lobbyists, which he described as the "shadow government" in Montgomery, "don't like you - they like your vote."

"Stand up and be independent. Stand your ground. Lobbyists don't own you."

"Almost everything has to do with money. Education people say it's about the children, but it's all about the money. Business people say it's about bringing in new industry, but it's all about the money. It's the people's money we're dealing with."

Madison County's new senator, Parker Griffith, D-Huntsville, said, after hearing about the complexity of the legislative rules, he's eager to meet with veteran Secretary of the Senate McDowell Lee for an explanation.

Griffith, a board-certified oncologist, said when he was treating cancer patients with a linear accelerator, there was a red, stop button in the treatment room. "When we felt like something was going wrong in the room, we hit it," he said. "I want to know where the red button is in the Senate."


Campaigning continues in Senate
Tuesday, December 05, 2006
By BOB LOWRY, Times Staff Writer
bob.lowry@htimes.com
midknightridermidknightriderHall of Famer
NO !!!
Hillary is just another politician. She'll say or do whatever is politically expediant at the time. Does anyone really believe she put up with Bill's hanky-panky because she "loves" him so much ? No, it was the best thing to do to advance her political career. Does anyone think Monica was Bills' first indiscretion ? I'll bet Hillary has been putting up with that stuff for years. All for the sake of her political career. She, like most career politicians, loves power and money.
I'm not a Bush fan. I didn't vote for him the last two times but I didn't vote for the Democratic nominee either. There are so many people that don't know what she stands for or what she will do (as evidenced by many remarks in this thread), but will vote for her anyway because of their hatred of Bush and Republicans. I honestly believe some people hate Republicans so much they would vote for Adolf Hitler if he were a Democrat. Until the majority of voters in this country learn to vote for a candidate or party they fully support instead of against a candidate or party, we'll end up with the "lesser of two evils". This country deserves better than that.
_Joy__Joy_Old Faithful
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Originally posted by midknightrider:
NO !!!
Hillary is just another politician. She'll say or do whatever is politically expediant at the time. Does anyone really believe she put up with Bill's hanky-panky because she "loves" him so much ? No, it was the best thing to do to advance her political career. Does anyone think Monica was Bills' first indiscretion ? I'll bet Hillary has been putting up with that stuff for years. All for the sake of her political career. She, like most career politicians, loves power and money.
I'm not a Bush fan. I didn't vote for him the last two times but I didn't vote for the Democratic nominee either. There are so many people that don't know what she stands for or what she will do (as evidenced by many remarks in this thread), but will vote for her anyway because of their hatred of Bush and Republicans. I honestly believe some people hate Republicans so much they would vote for Adolf Hitler if he were a Democrat. Until the majority of voters in this country learn to vote for a candidate or party they fully support instead of against a candidate or party, we'll end up with the "lesser of two evils". This country deserves better than that.


Could not agree more.
Shoals LoverShoals LoverHall of Famer
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She said no one in her home state could believe he got elected because everyone there hated him.



That remark is self-contradicting.

No one could get elected if "everyone there" did not vote for a candidate.

It's almost like saying (and remember, if a statement is true, the opposite of it is also true) "he didn't get elected because everyone there loved him."

See how ridiculous it is?

Perhaps instead she should have said something like 'the folks in my small circle of friends & contacts didn't like him.'

That way, it's be more accurate.
miamizsunmiamizsunHall of Famer
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Originally posted by _Joy_:
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Originally posted by miamizsun:
Has anyone here looked at her voting record?

Or is this just one of those issues where you'd be voting on principal alone?


I've looked at her voting record. I disagree with her in many areas. Here's two examples (Hillary voted NO to both of these):

English As National Language Amendment - Synopsis:
Vote to adopt an amendment that declares English as the national language and calls for stricter requirements in language testing and knowledge of U.S. history.

Prohibit Partial-Birth Abortion bill - Synopsis:
Vote to pass a bill that prohibits any individual from knowingly performing the procedure known as intact dilation and extraction, in which a fetus is partially delivered before it is aborted.


How many do you agree with? Wink
miamizsunmiamizsunHall of Famer
IMHO, if you vote for Hillary or Condoleeza, or any Dem or Repub, you'll continue to get what you've been getting. Exceptionally poor leadership. This is the thing about the GP's mentality that defies common sense. Does anyone here pay attention their budget at home? Why would anyone buy into their political rhetoric? We must hold politicians accountable. Sooner rather than later we'll have to judge our elected leaders by what they do, not by what they say.

Regards, miamizsun
_Joy__Joy_Old Faithful
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Originally posted by Shoals Lover:
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She said no one in her home state could believe he got elected because everyone there hated him.



That remark is self-contradicting.

No one could get elected if "everyone there" did not vote for a candidate.

It's almost like saying (and remember, if a statement is true, the opposite of it is also true) "he didn't get elected because everyone there loved him."

See how ridiculous it is?

Perhaps instead she should have said something like 'the folks in my small circle of friends & contacts didn't like him.'

That way, it's be more accurate.


Thppppt! Big Grin

Give me a break...My mind shuts down at 10:00 p.m. This was after my bedtime. I believe what she actually said was "no one she knew in her home state could believe he got elected because they hated him and knew him to be pure slime". Happy?

You know, I have a friend who's an English teacher that does this to me all the time. I can tell she's trying to hold it back when she starts twitching. She ain't frum these here parts n summa my kuntry twang drives 'er plum crazy. Wink
KindredKindredOld Faithful
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Originally posted by miamizsun:
IMHO, if you vote for Hillary or Condoleeza, or any Dem or Repub, you'll continue to get what you've been getting. Exceptionally poor leadership. This is the thing about the GP's mentality that defies common sense. Does anyone here pay attention their budget at home? Why would anyone buy into their political rhetoric? We must hold politicians accountable. Sooner rather than later we'll have to judge our elected leaders by what they do, not by what they say.

Regards, miamizsun


VOTE 'EM ALL OUT, that is my favorite saying these days, LOL.
KindredKindredOld Faithful
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Originally posted by Quarrles:
I think that we have already had a taste of life under "President Clinton", Hilary that is. The eight year Clinton dynasty was a joint effort of Mr. & Ms. as far as I can see. If you liked it vote accordingly, if not don't. Simple huh?


At one time I would have said that I didn't like it... but with what is going on in our country, I have to say that getting the Clinton's back in the White House would be such an improvement that I am just afraid that the majority of people will think so too.

You just have to remember that Bush ONLY won in Electorial College, not by Popular Vote, and then since this last election our country has really done a nose dive financially, the morale is at an all time low, and people not only WANT a change, they NEED one.
KindredKindredOld Faithful
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Originally posted by Heub:
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Originally posted by Kindred_Spirit:
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Originally posted by sbobek:
Sure Bush respects the military. He respects it enought to send our young adults of to die.


Civilians has died on our soil, tragically, but now that we have sincerely stirred up the Middle East, who I might add LOVE to fight and LOVE to kill, I am not sure an end is in sight, EVER.


AMEN, AMEN, AMEN, AMEN!!!! How right you are!!!


I suppose it would be ok for them to die on our soil had this not been nipped in the bud.
KindredKindredOld Faithful
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Originally posted by Heub:
There sure is a different feeling in Iraq among both the Iraqis and the Soldiers. I have not run into a single soldier who regretted being there. Good post Brenten.

I would vote for Condi but not Hillary. I cant believe anyone would vote for a woman who teaches youngsters that being unfaithful is ok, which is what she did when she didnt pack and leave when Wild Willie was caught with his cigar in the humidor.


I guess we all talk to different people, and different ideas come forth. I personally had a long conversation just 2 weeks ago with several soldiers coming back from Iraq, and they regretted it, others I have read and see has also regretted it.

I adore our Troops, I just don't like the can of worms that is now open to the entire world.
KindredKindredOld Faithful
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Originally posted by Shoals Lover:
Remember...

a vote for the "lesser of two evils" is STILL a vote for evil.

This time, let's get it CORRECT!

Let's make it a TRUE choice, not a BIG MONEY grubber's stake!


You know SL... I cannot for the life of me see how people, who have to work for a living can put a man like Dubbya in office!!! Republicians are for BIG BUSINESS, RICH PEOPLE ONLY, we middle class people just pay all the taxes, so we don't count.

WHEN is the working class going to realize this???? If the Unions see it, then they KNOW it, so why can't the rest of us see what they KNOW???

One good thing about Dem's is that they are for the working/middle class and the poor... the RICH PEOPLE and BIG BUSINESS hates Dem's because they are afraid they won't get their HUGE tax breaks.

All anyone has to do is research... it tells it all.
NashBamaNashBamaOld Faithful
Voting records show where a politician stands on the issue. So yes, it has everything to do with what you said. Besides, they're all rich people who are looking out for themselves. The Democrats are just a rich as the Republicans. Other than one party wants a socialistic government and the other party doesn't, there really isn't much of a difference between the two.
KindredKindredOld Faithful
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Originally posted by NashBama:
Voting records show where a politician stands on the issue. So yes, it has everything to do with what you said. Besides, they're all rich people who are looking out for themselves. The Democrats are just a rich as the Republicans. Other than one party wants a socialistic government and the other party doesn't, there really isn't much of a difference between the two.



Of course there are rich Dems... no one said there wasn't, but they arent as shallow as.. errrrr... ummmmmm... well, you know who I mean.

Voting records aren't realistic, they just do them on a 1/1000 ratio, IF that many, so it isnt correct to start with, it is just something someone can shove out there to brainwash people on politics.
NashBamaNashBamaOld Faithful
Voting records aren't realistic? That's what they are in office to do, represent us by voting on the issues that come up. Their voting record is the job performance, it shows exactly where someone stands and who they truly represent. How can you say voting records aren't realistic? 1/1000 ratio? Exactly where did you come up with that?
KindredKindredOld Faithful
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Originally posted by NashBama:
Voting records aren't realistic? That's what they are in office to do, represent us by voting on the issues that come up. Their voting record is the job performance, it shows exactly where someone stands and who they truly represent. How can you say voting records aren't realistic? 1/1000 ratio? Exactly where did you come up with that?


Okay you got me on that one, I was thinking polls... a senior moment there...

Anyway, votimg doesnt mean much either. Dubbya did not win popular vote in 2000, didnt even win his own brother's state for 24 hours, still not sure how all that was pulled off so the Electorial college could come in and put whoever they want in office.

Please tell me you aren't under the assumption that the Electorial College votes the way we WANT them too???? Oh please tell me you know better than that!!! You are pretty intelligent, I hope you see through the muck.
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