Originally Posted by Bill Gray:
When the Bible tells us that a person HAS ETERNAL LIFE -- this means that this person will spend eternity in the presence of God.
When the Bible tells us that a person DOES NOT HAVE ETERNAL LIFE -- this means that this person will not spend eternity in the presence of God.
Therefore, Rim, Chick, Jennifer, Uno, Deep, Crusty, Jimi, and all of my wonderful Forum Friends who keep huffing and puffing, claiming that Bill Gray is condemning YOU to hell -- that is blatantly wrong. ONLY YOU can send YOU to hell.
Now, am I spewing hatred because I tell you this? Of course not, this is being said in love -- for I love each one of you enough to want to make sure you understand the truth -- that only YOU can and must choose YOUR eternal home.
Bill, if you believe that a person is saved by trusting Jesus Christ & that his blood was shed at Calvary for our sins, then the day I got saved, I was saved. Of course, I know you will mock me & say I was never saved but that’s not your call to make is it?
There is scriptures that speak of a person being lost again.
One is in John. 15: 5-7 (NIV)
I am the vine; you are the branches. If a man remains in me and I in him, he will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing. If anyone does not remain in me, he is like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned.
If you remain in me and my words remain in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be done for you.
Contradicts Eternal Security? Seems so.
We are saved by grace but we can fall from grace. We are justified by faith but our faith can become lost, & cease to exist. If you need the scriptures to back that up, I can give them to you.
The greatest unrecognized spiritual dangers for anyone that believes the Bible is the word of God is the doctrine of demons that’s referred to as Eternal Security. People like you that preach Eternal Security are very dangerous people.
Satan actually spoke through Peter, one of the Lord’s chosen apostles. Is it impossible for a doctrine of demons to come through any Christian and/or teacher? Of course not.
If your OSAS doctrine is true, then I will get to Heaven just the same as you will. But! I believe a person can become unsaved by just backsliding into sin, & a person can lose their salvation.
You claim to love each one of us enough to want to make sure we understand the truth. I'm sure you won't answer but how many times do we have to hear your kind of truth?
Ok, you can start with your mocking now & telling me I'm going to Hell.