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Hi to my Forum Friends,

Earlier, Jennifer began a discussion titled "Sexperiment. . . " which was obviously meant to titillate non-believers and attempt to ridicule Christians.  So, I will offer this news article about another pastoral couple who have written a book about Christians and their sex life.


Q & A: Mark And Grace Driscoll On Sex For The 21st-Century Christian

The Seattle couple talks to CT about their new book on marriage.

Interview by Katelyn Beaty and Marlena Graves | posted 1/05/2012 10:25AM http://www.christianitytoday.c...ll-sex-marriage.html

 

Real Marriage is strikingly conventional, emphasizing the same commonsense ideals that other Christian marriage books do: honesty, mutual respect, forgiveness, and becoming friends with one's spouse.  As Mark told CT, "If you have a solid friendship that you're working on, the rest of the marriage is going to come together.  The sex is going to get better."

Question:  There are already plenty of Christian books about sex and marriage on the market.  Why should Christians get advice on sexuality and marriage from a pastor writing a book instead of, say, a counselor, friends, or their own pastor?

Mark:  As far as books that address sex go, I actually disagree.  I think there are only two that go into much depth on sexuality, and one is quite old, and the other is pretty old.  A lot of Christian teaching about sex is answering the questions of a previous generation.  Both of the books I can think of were written before the Internet existed.  Well, that's a game changer in every way.  One of the books goes so far as to basically say that oral sex in marriage is a sin.  Today, we have a bunch of teenagers who don't even think oral sex counts as sex.  So we've taken what we hope are eternal biblical truths and applied them to the cultural questions of our day.  That's why we felt it was necessary.

Also, a lot of people pick up bits and pieces of information about sex in marriage, but they lack a comprehensive biblical understanding of how it all fits together.  So the big idea early in the book is friendship. There isn't a Christian book that addresses friendship in the context of marriage.  We read all or part of 187 books on marriage and couldn't find anything of substance on friendship.  And you ask young people, and they would say, no, marriage is primarily about friendship and sex.  Right?  I mean it's about friends with benefits.  So there is a different cultural conversation that's happening.

Question:  Mark, many of your public statements about sexuality have drawn criticism from fellow Christian leaders.  Is this book a way to back off from some of your previous comments?

Mark:  No, but it's a way to clarify what I meant.  I don't apologize for what I believe.  I've never changed it. But I can always communicate it more effectively, more articulately, more humbly, more graciously, and more considerately.  Especially in the age of the Internet, something gets ripped out of context, and then it's, "Oh, Mark said blank."

It's like, well in the context Mark didn't say blank, or that wasn't exactly what was said.  But this [book] allows me to put it into context of the whole framework of marriage and sex, and to do so with my wife.  Grace is really brave in the book and adds a woman's perspective.  A guy on a stage talking to the universe is not the best context to get to know who a guy is and how he operates in his marriage and what he means by that.  Once you get to know his wife and you get to see her perspective and how it plays out in their marriage, it clarifies and provides context.

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Yes, Virginia -- Christians do enjoy sex!  Why else would there be so many of us?

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Earlier, Jennifer began a discussion titled "Sexperiment. . . " which was obviously meant to titillate non-believers and attempt to ridicule Christians.

So, I will offer this news article about another pastoral couple who have written a book about Christians and their sex life.

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No one cares about your sex life, (gag) and I didn't begin a discussion to ridicule anyone. I posted the subject with the statement that it was the most popular subject on the site.

Try to tell the truth just once bill. Below is what I posted. So please show me where I was attempting to ridicule christians. I did ask who would want to see these two "bumping uglies", but that has nothing to do with them being "christians".

 

 

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And the most popular story on the site?

 

'Sexperiment:' Pastor, Wife to Spend 24 Hours in Bed on Church Roof

 

Does anyone really want to think about these two "bumping uglies"??? UGH!! I think it would be less ugly to watch two wart hogs going at it!!

No bill, it wasn't ridicule. You should recognize ridicule, you get it all the time and imo deservedly so.

I was speaking about these two, not christians,  so you lied. It had nothing to do with you and your sex life, which again, I'm certainly not interested in. You just wanted to make another thread and used this as your excuse to do so.

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Hi Jennifer, Personally, I see nothing wrong with their teaching that sex is another gift from God -- for all married couples. On the other hand, I do believe the "roof-top escapade" is a bit over the line. Focus On The Family has always discussed the sexual relationship within marriage and shone a positive light upon it. So, that part is right on. But, the theatrics do seem to be an over kill -- and I have to agree with a couple of comments left by folks, wondering if this is a publicity stunt to increase sales of their book.

 

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So apparently bill you were ridiculing them.

Originally Posted by Bill Gray:

Hi to my Forum Friends,
Earlier, Jennifer began a discussion titled "Sexperiment. . . " which was obviously meant to titillate non-believers and attempt to ridicule Christians. 
Bill

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Where did you come up with the "Jenn obviously meant to titillate non-believers and attempt to ridicule Christians" out of that article? Can we not post things just because we might find it interesting, out there or a little far fetched?

 

Ridicule? Did you know that ridicule is a verb & means to make fun of someone? What do you call this???

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Originally Posted by Bill Gray:

I do believe the "roof-top escapade" is a bit over the line

But, the theatrics do seem to be an over kill -- and I have to agree with a couple of comments left by folks, wondering if this is a publicity stunt to increase sales of their book.

 

Bill, you ridicule those of us you consider "lost" daily. You try to cover the ridicule & sarcasm of your one-liners to us with your "my, friend" & "have a blessed day" comments but we all see the ridicule & know exactly how you meant it.

 

Now you can come back with your ridicule &

sarcasm of how I'm defending Jenn.

 

Hi Jennifer,

 

Since you did not watch the music video, I will give y'all the words:

 

SISTERS

By Irving Berlin

Sisters, sisters, There were never such devoted sisters,
Never had to have a chaperone, No sir,
I'm there to keep my eye on her.


Caring, sharing, Every little thing that we are wearing
When a certain gentleman arrived from Rome
She wore the dress, and I stayed home.


All kinds of weather, we stick together, The same in the rain or sun
Two different faces, but in tight places. We think and we act as one
Those who've seen us, Know that not a thing could come between us

 

Many men have tried to split us up, but no one can
Lord help the mister who comes between me and my sister
And Lord help the sister, who comes between me and my man

 

Now, who could doubt that this describes our own cute little white, blonde, Bobbsey Twins?   Bless your blonde little hearts!  Maybe not blonde in hair -- but, in heart. 

 

Am I ridiculing you?  How could I -- I have been blonde all my life.   Only now, my blonde is a wee bit lighter.

 

Y'all come back now, ya hear?

 

Bill

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