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Grinning idiots laugh at everything they don't understand. Court jesters make everyone else laugh at the new information that contradicts the Common Wisdom.

Your children won't be laughing. They'll be shoveling #%&t because they hadn't had the proper education, because they will be incapable of critical thinking.

I'm not laughing. This is serious. And certain backwards, anachronistic, clueless fools will continue to laugh as progress rolls on all about them, dragging them reluctantly along.

Who are you calling ants? Who are you calling clueless? I hope it's me, I really do, because I want to wear your reproach as a badge of honor. Tell me it's me.
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Originally posted by Billy Joe Bob Gene:
Grinning idiots laugh at everything they don't understand. Court jesters make everyone else laugh at the new information that contradicts the Common Wisdom.

Your children won't be laughing. They'll be shoveling #%&t because they hadn't had the proper education, because they will be incapable of critical thinking.

I'm not laughing. This is serious. And certain backwards, anachronistic, clueless fools will continue to laugh as progress rolls on all about them, dragging them reluctantly along.

Who are you calling ants? Who are you calling clueless? I hope it's me, I really do, because I want to wear your reproach as a badge of honor. Tell me it's me.

Hi Deep,

That is the same lame excuse you have been using for being on the Religion Forum for over three years.

I am curious. Do you have children or grandchildren who might be influenced if God is allowed back into public schools. Or are you just arguing for the sake of arguing?

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Posted 12 June 2010 07:02 PM
You debate over...God, Religion, Evolution, Morality,...while WE watch...
You are so easy...
Yet, you don't see us...
And never will...
We laugh...

Posts: 666 | Location: The Far side of the Zoo. | Registered: 20 January 2010


LOL, it says 666 posts. Creepy
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Grinning idiots laugh at everything they don't understand. Court jesters make everyone else laugh at the new information that contradicts the Common Wisdom.

Your children won't be laughing. They'll be shoveling #%&t because they hadn't had the proper education, because they will be incapable of critical thinking.

I'm not laughing. This is serious. And certain backwards, anachronistic, clueless fools will continue to laugh as progress rolls on all about them, dragging them reluctantly along.

Who are you calling ants? Who are you calling clueless? I hope it's me, I really do, because I want to wear your reproach as a badge of honor. Tell me it's me.


Your position is well known. You shout. You "preach" as much so ...as The Bill.
Yours means no more than His.
Pointless. Without merit. "Fantasies".
You follow those with NOTHING. You hope.
Hoping THEY are correct.
You are minor.
Keep shouting!
We have known those like you ...
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Originally posted by PKROUSE:
There is a place for religon, and it isn't the school system. I'm not sure if there is a god, but if i want to find out i'll go to church.


I do agree with you and your premise of saying that schools should not teach religion. The fact is though that, by necessity, to teach Creation or Intelligent Design as a "theory" for how we got here or how the universe came into existence then you have to teach that the belief is that "God Created". Teaching Creation, Intelligent Design and Evolution together does not mean you are teaching Religion. Whether you call God Jehovah, Allah, "I AM" or just GOD you teach that a large number of people do (and have through time) believed that Creation occurred out of a Supernatural Intelligent being. You aren't forcing, or teaching, any denominational doctrine but rather a theory that many believe in. We aren't saying to teach WHO God is but rather that many people choose to believe that a Deity Created creation. It is for the student to then, through time, and studies to make up their own minds as to which theory they will accept. Parents also can, at home, reinforce that which they wish to impress upon their Children which is only right and they should have the freedom to do so.

To RESTRICT any relevant or predominate theory of Creation from being taught is not right and that's what is being done and done under the guise of "separation of Church and State".

We (Christians) seek not to dominate the playing field, as was done long ago in some areas, but rather wish to compete as a potential, possible, theory by which creation came about. Simply put, creation by God. If you want to teach what the American Indians taught that's okay also as long as it is historical, a prevalent view for the geographic location of the school, and sufficiently popular that a large segment of the population believes in its validity.

What you have now is Evolutionist, Atheist, totally controlling the agenda and what is being taught. They are teaching exclusion of God, teaching that there is not a God, in other words restricting it to their own views without allowing for competing views or opinions. Restricting the jobs to only people that espouse their own, skewed, view of evolution (confer Ben Stein's "Expelled").
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Teaching Creation, Intelligent Design and Evolution together does not mean you are teaching Religion.


Stop it! Of course it does. Creationism is a religious premise, nothing more, less, or different. And don't try masking it by calling it "intelligent design" or "creation science". It's all the same thing, and it's all religious.

None of it has any place in any science class. I'm assuming you've never heard of Kitzmiller v Dover. You should look it up. Not only is it a legal victory for science, it's an intellectual and logical victory. It's one of many. One of the important findings of the case is that Creationism/Intelligent Design is essentially religious in nature, and ineligible for science classes in public schools. The case was heard by a Reagan-appointed Republican judge and remains unappealed, for the best reason. C/ID was shot down in flames in a contest of scientific validity.

Honestly, did you check out the video series "Why do People Laugh at Creationists"? It's a small reflection on that subject. When will you get tired of being laughed at?
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Originally posted by PKROUSE:
There is a place for religon, and it isn't the school system. I'm not sure if there is a god, but if i want to find out i'll go to church.

Hi PK,

No one is suggesting they teach "religion" in the public schools. What we ARE saying is that God should also be allowed to attend school. Since 1963, He has been expelled from school -- by Madelyn Murray O'Hare and the ACLU (Anti Christian Losers Union).

If a class is taught in your school on the Bible; I am sure it will be an elective course. If a student or group of students want to pray in school; that, too, is elective.

When I attended Sheffield High, they offered Latin as an elective course. I took it; but, I could have not taken it and still graduated.

The problem with atheists and secularists is they are scared to death of having God within two miles of any school. Why? Because they know that if Evolution and Creation are taught to the same students -- the vast majority would reject Evolution.

Mention God, Creation, Jesus, or Christianity near a school -- and the Evolutionists wet their pants -- out of fear.

So, if God, the Bible, Jesus, or Christianity scare you -- do not take the courses. But, just because you fear God -- do not try to force your religion of atheism on all the other students.

Let each have their own religion. Christians and Jews can pray to God; the Muslims can pray to Allah; the Hindus can pray to any of their thousands of gods -- and you can pray to your god: Darwin, Dawkins, Hitchens, Jack Daniels, or yourself -- whoever you worship.

Now, that sounds fair to me. But, of course, I know that all the atheist and secularists on this Religion Forum will be screaming at this post. That is okay. It just means I am doing something right.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Originally posted by Billy Joe Bob Gene:
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Teaching Creation, Intelligent Design and Evolution together does not mean you are teaching Religion.

Stop it! Of course it does. Creationism is a religious premise, nothing more, less, or different. And don't try masking it by calling it "intelligent design" or "creation science". It's all the same thing, and it's all religious.

Hi Deep,

Scares the peedoodle out of you, doesn't it?

Oh, no -- God is within two miles of a school!

How can Darwin's THEORY of Evolution survive if the TRUTH is presented in the same school?

But, then, Darwin declared Darwinian Evolution dead 150 years ago -- when he told the world that if the "Missing Link" fossil is not found; evolution is dead. RIP!

Check your pants, Deep. You sure have gotten a good scare.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Does it seem so?
There is no malice here.
Simple dialect.
Nothing more.
I know many...like YOU...with similar...beliefs.
Are they wrong? Are they correct?
Those whom never waver?...whether WRONG or RIGHT are relevant.
Give US dialect...reason...without...continual "rants"...about "idiots" who do not conform to YOUR philosophy.
You will become much more credible.
Posted 13 June 2010 03:52 AM Hide Post
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By vplee123:
does this post come with a decoder ring?


You had it long ago, yet, you continue to understand nothing. You do not believe. You think you do...but there is that little...question mark????
in your life.

Ok, cage, I'll bite because I like you. I don't quite know where you're going with this, but if you are asking if I've questioned my faith, yes I have. More often than I care to recall. It's easy to be faithful when life is "peachy", but yes, during the dark moments, there have been lots of question marks.
I think anyone who denies having doubts from time to time is lying to themselves........
but what are you talking about? What is the clue you want to share? veep.
BJBG, Deep, or whatever you choose to go by

Teaching that many people believe and accept that Creation started with a "Supreme Being", Deity, God, whatever you wish to use is not teaching a Religion it is putting forth facts. If the teaching was that Jehovah God Created or Jesus Christ Created, Mohammad Created etc then you would be selecting a specific Religion over another. Generic use of the term God or the specification of Deity is how it should be formed and allow the student the knowledge that this is a very prominent view of Creation. You Evolutionist, however, have to control and have total access to the minds of the students. Fire or disqualify any instructors that have a personal opinion on the subject, never mind if they teach with a bias or not. If though an Evolutionist teaches with a bias that is alright.

You folks are such hypocrites when it comes to the educational arena. You then make dogmatic statements as if Evolution was not a theory but rather undeniable truth yet you, yourself, cannot defend your own beliefs and the basis of your belief rest in someone other than yourself's work. You have no problem accepting what Darwin or Dawkins says but you won't even acknowledge the possibility that God exist. It is you, and your kind, that are closed minded and thus limit yourself with purposeful mental blinders.

From all indications you care none the least about rational, considerate dialog and debate but come here for no other reason than to demean others and insult other forum member who take an opposing view to yours.

Your type blames Christians for being closed minded along with many other negative connotations with regards to mental abilities yet you, by your post and statements typify just that which you accuse Christians or Religious people of being.

It would be far more refreshing if you would just be honest about who you were and be respectful in addressing your positions and engage in considerate debate. Could be that's expecting too much.
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Teaching that many people believe and accept that Creation started with a "Supreme Being", Deity, God, whatever you wish to use is not teaching a Religion it is putting forth facts.

It's nothing of the sort. Please defend your statement. Your statement is easily fended with this question: Who or what made the Creator? If all things created require a creator, then God requires one as well.

You are not allowed to define god as "uncreated and transcendent of time and space" as those qualities could be attributed to the laws of nature equally. You are not allowed to regress to the point of common ignorance and simply define the answer of that ignorance as God. It's facile. Easy. Beneath God and you.
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Teaching that many people believe and accept that Creation started with a "Supreme Being", Deity, God, whatever you wish to use is not teaching a Religion it is putting forth facts.

It's nothing of the sort. Please defend your statement. Your statement is easily fended with this question: Who or what made the Creator? If all things created require a creator, then God requires one as well.

You are not allowed to define god as "uncreated and transcendent of time and space" as those qualities could be attributed to the laws of nature equally. You are not allowed to regress to the point of common ignorance and simply define the answer of that ignorance as God. It's facile. Easy. Beneath God and you.

Hi Deep,

Since you are a fairly intelligent person, I am sure that you will agree that all things have a cause. Regardless of the phenomenon, something caused it. So, whether you subscribe to the Creation theory or the Big Bang theory -- something had to cause it.

You can say A caused B, and B caused C, and C caused D, ad infinitum. However, going back the other direction -- from D to C to B to A -- what caused A?

If you say that nothing caused A; then A is preexisting -- it always existed. Otherwise something caused it. So, if A had no cause; then A must have always existed. If A always existed, it is preexisting -- and, since it is preexisting, we call that cause God.

Now, you can call it what you like. But, you have to admit that it is preexisting; therefore it is God -- as we define God.

Simple logic -- that even an atheist can understand. However, the atheist will not admit it -- for, if he does, then he will have a God to whom he is accountable. He will no longer be his own god, for the true God does exist. I am sure you can see the dilemma this causes for those who demand to be in total control of their own lives.

But, my Friend, if you will only allow Him to be in control of your life -- you will be amazed at the power and peace found in the Christian life.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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gb and Bill,
Your posts are "spot on". I can't understand why there is such hostility and defiance from those who do not choose to accept there is a God, and to me only one God. Other religions are free to worship whomever (Allah, Buddha, etc.), and the atheists can worship a can of worms for all I care, but there is no need for the hostility. They have had the Gospel of Christ put before them - thanks in large part to Bill Gray on these forums - and they still choose to disbelieve, or believe otherwise. So be it. But don't scold, smack talk, whatever you want to call it, the Christians who are proud to defend their God. As for the Separation of Church and State, I grew up in a classroom where the Bible was read everyday and I know for a fact it was a much better world back then. So why was Madalyn O'Hare and the ACLU are fired up to have God removed from our schools? I wish I had realized back then where this ol' world was headed. I am astonished by the fact that so many atheists, nonbelievers, liberals, etc. have so much control in our lives. When and how did we turn our head long enough for this to happen? I pray God has mercy on all of our souls.
Hi TinaBeth,

Thank you for your support for me, GB, and the Lord we all serve.

I have written a response titled "An Open Letter From The Son Of Madalyn Murray O'Hair" and posted it as a new discussion. I believe you will find this very interesting information regarding our atheist Friends and their ACLU/Atheist Poster Girl goddess, Madalyn Murray O'Hair.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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gb and Bill,
Your posts are "spot on". I can't understand why there is such hostility and defiance from those who do not choose to accept there is a God, and to me only one God. Other religions are free to worship whomever (Allah, Buddha, etc.), and the atheists can worship a can of worms for all I care, but there is no need for the hostility. They have had the Gospel of Christ put before them - thanks in large part to Bill Gray on these forums - and they still choose to disbelieve, or believe otherwise. So be it. But don't scold, smack talk, whatever you want to call it, the Christians who are proud to defend their God. As for the Separation of Church and State, I grew up in a classroom where the Bible was read everyday and I know for a fact it was a much better world back then. So why was Madalyn O'Hare and the ACLU are fired up to have God removed from our schools? I wish I had realized back then where this ol' world was headed. I am astonished by the fact that so many atheists, nonbelievers, liberals, etc. have so much control in our lives. When and how did we turn our head long enough for this to happen? I pray God has mercy on all of our souls.




Glad to have you post tinabeth and thank you for your comments. It is difficult to understand, some, people at times, their actions and the reasons they do what they do. I think that what Paul told the Galatians explains a lot about people and contrast non-belivers with believers for really we are all the same ( from perspective of the flesh ) but it is the Spirit of God, God's Holy Spirit that not only gives us the hope we have but reveals God's truth through His word and actually changed people from the inside out in a blink of an eye's time.

Galatians 5:16-26 (CEV) 16 If you are guided by the Spirit, you won't obey your selfish desires. 17 The Spirit and your desires are enemies of each other. They are always fighting each other and keeping you from doing what you feel you should. 18 But if you obey the Spirit, the Law of Moses has no control over you. 19 People's desires make them give in to immoral ways, filthy thoughts, and shameful deeds. 20 They worship idols, practice witchcraft, hate others, and are hard to get along with. People become jealous, angry, and selfish. They not only argue and cause trouble, but they are 21 envious. They get drunk, carry on at wild parties, and do other evil things as well. I told you before, and I am telling you again: No one who does these things will share in the blessings of God's kingdom. 22 God's Spirit makes us loving, happy, peaceful, patient, kind, good, faithful, 23 gentle, and self-controlled. There is no law against behaving in any of these ways. 24 And because we belong to Christ Jesus, we have killed our selfish feelings and desires. 25 God's Spirit has given us life, and so we should follow the Spirit. 26 But don't be conceited or make others jealous by claiming to be better than they are.
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Originally posted by Billy Joe Bob Gene:
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Teaching that many people believe and accept that Creation started with a "Supreme Being", Deity, God, whatever you wish to use is not teaching a Religion it is putting forth facts.

It's nothing of the sort. Please defend your statement. Your statement is easily fended with this question: Who or what made the Creator? If all things created require a creator, then God requires one as well.

You are not allowed to define god as "uncreated and transcendent of time and space" as those qualities could be attributed to the laws of nature equally. You are not allowed to regress to the point of common ignorance and simply define the answer of that ignorance as God. It's facile. Easy. Beneath God and you.

Hi Deep,

Since you are a fairly intelligent person, I am sure that you will agree that all things have a cause. Regardless of the phenomenon, something caused it. So, whether you subscribe to the Creation theory or the Big Bang theory -- something had to cause it.

You can say A caused B, and B caused C, and C caused D, ad infinitum. However, going back the other direction -- from D to C to B to A -- what caused A?

If you say that nothing caused A; then A is preexisting -- it always existed. Otherwise something caused it. So, if A had no cause; then A must have always existed. If A always existed, it is preexisting -- and, since it is preexisting, we call that cause God.

Now, you can call it what you like. But, you have to admit that it is preexisting; therefore it is God -- as we define God.

Simple logic -- that even an atheist can understand. However, the atheist will not admit it -- for, if he does, then he will have a God to whom he is accountable. He will no longer be his own god, for the true God does exist. I am sure you can see the dilemma this causes for those who demand to be in total control of their own lives.

But, my Friend, if you will only allow Him to be in control of your life -- you will be amazed at the power and peace found in the Christian life.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill


You speak alot more than I care to read and I consider myself a Christian.

I just wanted to tell ya that you seem to show respect whenever you reply to someone, even if you ramble to much for my likings Smiler This is nothing negative directed at Bill Gray, it is a compliment on him showing others respect. If others do this, it would make this place alot more informative. Sometimes I feel like I am in a high school hallway all over again. lol
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You speak a lot more than I care to read and I consider myself a Christian. I just wanted to tell ya that you seem to show respect whenever you reply to someone, even if you ramble to much for my liking Smiler

This is nothing negative directed at Bill Gray, it is a compliment on him showing others respect. If others do this, it would make this place a lot more informative. Sometimes I feel like I am in a high school hallway all over again. lol

Hi Ricky,

Thank you! And, I will admit that my writings do tend to get long. But, if I am to answer the questions and comments sufficiently, many times it cannot be done in just a few words.

On the other hand -- at times my wife will agree with you. At Bible studies, she is my time clock on when to shut up and close in prayer. When she gives me that finger across the throat movement -- I know it is time to pray.

I have a Friend in Arizona who complains that my e-Newsletters are too long. I jokingly tell him that anything over three sentences is too long for him -- which is sort of the truth, for he does not like to read. I just tell him to just browse through and let the Holy Spirit show him what is worth him reading -- and to ignore the rest. Maybe one part is right for him; and another part is right for another. This way, I cover all bases.

I do appreciate your comments and your encouragement.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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I can only imagine the prayer.... but rock on, Bill! You the Man! AF

Hi Deep,

Thank you, my Friend. Since you are also here in Southern Cal -- why don't you join us in a Bible study and witness the prayer for yourself?

I promise you -- it is not painful. And, you just might get something from it. I know you would enjoy the people and the food.

You are welcome any time.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill
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Bill's confused... but he rocks. WB

Hi Deep,

I'm confused? And, yet you are the one who doesn't know his own name. In this post, you are WB; in another AF -- but, I guess you quit being BG. So sad, for at least that one did reflect well on your character.

Y'all come back now, ya heah?

Bill

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