Originally Posted by skippy delepepper:
No Billy I have some suggestions for you.
You think Atheism is so peaceful, may I refer you to Cage's topic,
"Atheism and Mass Murder". You don't even have to go back to anceint
history to find it. As Cage referenced the 20th century and Communism.
How could we forget Stalin and millions massacred. Let's see Obama's
idle Chairman Mou, millions again. How about North Korea? How about
the Cambodian killing fields? How about all those massacred trying to
excape from Eastern Europe not that long ago? How about Castro and
the people he killed to suppress? And many many more. Let's not forget
The N*z*s and thier taste for blood. You Atheist have a lot to be proud of.
Skippy
Oh, let's start somewhat late in the history of mankind and only begin with the Old Testament. Genocide. Bashing babies' heads on rocks. There's more, but you get the picture.
China has a politically-motivated atheist agenda, and i reject it, and i despise it. Freedom of religion is so much better. And so much more persuasive in the end, I think.
You do not understand totalitarianism. It is the ultimate mind f**k. It tolerates no allegiance to any other end except the worship of the State. When will you learn this? It is perpetrated by evil dictators whose ultimate ends are ultimate power over their minions. Ultimate power cannot abide a transcendent religion or any other faith-based reality. What's so hard to understand?
Stalin was a murderer. He murdered the best military officers he had for political reasons, to his harm. He didn't murder the Russian Orthodoxy clergy, unless they (rarely) disagreed with him, because he understood the religious needs of the hoi polloi. He used the Russian Orthodox Church to his ends. Of course, he didn't let Orthodoxy get in the way of eliminating political or economic baggage whenever it occurred.
Please, sir, your arguments are simple. Facile.
As I've posted before, by the Catholic Church's own criterion, Hitler was a Catholic. I will not insult the readers of this post with a redundant recitation of Hitler's Catholic credentials.
You despise atheism because you cannot bring yourself to even understand it. I would never ask you to embrace it, but I would suggest you try to understand it. Because you despise atheism so, you must associate it with every evil you can imagine.
It's just not so. Name a country for me that has suffered for being too reasonable.
Your accusations become a badge of honor. Each one represents a lack of understanding and reasonable conclusion.
Sweden has gone, in recent centuries, from paganism, to Catholicism, to Protestantism, to secularism. Who does Sweden hate? Who hates Sweden?
There is no mechanism from atheism to violence. There is a mechanism from Catholicism to the hating of Jews, for example. Atheists regard both religions the same. Irrelevant. No need to go to war with anyone over any interpretation. This is another reason for you to recognize that Maoism's atheism is tangential to its ultimate goals of totalitarianism. And as far as Maoism is officially atheist, I reject and condemn it. Side note: Maoism is pretty much dead in China, and let's hope the residual official atheist position follows suit. We atheists don't need laws to enforce atheism, we have reason on our side.
Please read some history, even Wiki, before you post again that "Notsism" (weird forum censorship, wouldn't' you agree?) and Stalinism, even Maoism, is based on atheism.
One more thing. Communism is a recent philosophy. It dates from about the time of the Civil War. Maybe a little older. Atheism is at least 2500 years old. Communism has been proven wrong to the extent it's been tried. Atheism has not.
DF