Brentenman has been part of this for who know before I. He Has every right to speek as any of you johnnycone lately. Do YOU PEOPLE not understand the value of a voice of a MAN serving our US!!!!!
You must be so anti- what ever you can not smell a skunk so you just est it for breakfast.
Yes , I am mad as hell what has gone on since my computer trouble, that SOME of you have said to this Man.
We may not have agreed but you could count on Brenten to tell the truth.
Now, who of your sorry hide behide a name has so demeaned him??
Am I TICKEDED you better believe it.One I don't even know Oh u koww what I mean.
going outside to shoot MY 10mm just so I wont YELL AT SOME STUPID HOLE
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Now, I am really curious as to what I missed.. *sighs*

I wish all the adults here could play along better.. Heck everyone has opinions, and it's rare that anyone ever really changes their's, so WHY argue about them. It's a vicious cycle, I tell ya.

Now ya see why I mainly lurk and read. I really hope Brenten doesn't leave, he's seems like an interesting fellow Smiler

~Manda~
That guy is a candidate for a SECTION VIII. I hope that he gets some emotional help before he hurts himself or others. God bless him.
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That guy is a candidate for a SECTION VIII. I hope that he gets some emotional help before he hurts himself or others. God bless him.




I believe there my be some truth to your statement...To support Brenten, madmax refers to shooting her gun...is everyone a gun freak?
themax.... I am with you on this!!!!!

Ya see, Brentenman acted HUMAN one day and showed his frustration of all the crazy answers and the snide comments, and the insults, not to just himself...

HE IS A HUMAN BEING and we are NOT DOCTORS, so how can we diagnose whether he needs mental health or not, just how????

Anyways, people kept hammering him with their bashing, me included, but I apologized when I noticed he was very upset about something and talked to him in PM... as I talk to a LOT of you guys in PM!!!!

I do NOT want to lose Brentenman on this forum, he is a way for us to find out what is going on.... but just because he isnt the "FLUFFY" speaking individual, AND he had a bad day.... he was torn to shreds....

BRENTENMAN... COME BACK... I have been torn to shreds too, but I am still standing, and I am also LAUGHING about it!!!!

themax, this is part of the story... the rest will come later...

I am sure others will also reply to you about this but I won't be able to see it because some of them are now on my BEAUTIFULLY CALM IGNORE LIST, hehee
Quarrels, before you say that, please message B'man, and maybe then YOU can see what happened with him... He is not bad like some people think he is, he is just human, he is Military, he is a man, and he got frustrated at 'some' of the people here...

Haven't we ALL been guilty of that???? If we all were to read back over posts, I think most of us can find some things we wished we didn't say, I know I can... I will be the first to admit I am human and make mistakes...

New footing, knowing what you know, can you at least TRY to understand where B'man was coming from?
KS, "Blessed are the Peacemakers". Bless you. I know what B"man was like from his posts because I had no other reference to his thoughts. I fear for him and for those who are objects of his wrath. I hope he seeks help. Bless him.
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Originally posted by Quarrles:
KS, "Blessed are the Peacemakers". Bless you. I know what B"man was like from his posts because I had no other reference to his thoughts. I fear for him and for those who are objects of his wrath. I hope he seeks help. Bless him.


But Quarrels, when someone has been in the Military as long as he has, isn't that the mindset anyway? If so, no therapy needed... and when he decides to leave the Military the debriefing will take care of that. He is NOT the murderer that some people portrayed on here, and he has the same freedom of speech that you and I do.

B'man is actually a very nice person, but since a post got out of control, and his frustrations came out (which is normal) he has now been "labeled" and since I have talked to him, that just isn't right.

I wish you would/could talk to him also, you would see what I mean. He was baited so strongly that he reacted with the same. I do the same thing when people keep hammering at me, either that, or IGNORE them altogether, which keeps MY peace, lol.

Basically, you are right, I AM a peacekeeper, if I can be, but some people who has joined this forum doesn't WANT peace, they want controversy, and that is what they got, then wanted to cry FOUL... so which is right? Which is wrong??? I respect your opinions Smiler
I'm in the military and I have been in for a long time, but I have to take sides with Quarrles on this one. B'man said a lot of tactless/tasteless things that could hurt others feelings, I don't see any of them quitting. If you are going to quit, quit. Why the big announcement?
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Originally posted by Quarrles:
KS, my wish and hope for B"Man is that he find peace, both within and without.


A big AMEN to that Quarrels!!! And I think that by staying away from here, so he does'nt get provoked is his one way of doing that... although staying away just lets people feel more power to start their bashing elsewhere, and to other people... Those who BASH and are HYPOCRITES will do it and act it with B'man here or not... What we all need to do is to start reading every word, on every post for at least TEN pages back... you can then see WHO on here is the Bashers, Baiters, Trolls, and LIARs..

All one has to do is read Smiler

If we want to blame anyone, lets put it where it belongs, and not on B'man's shoulders. He has been a member of the forum for over a year, and nothing like this ever happened, doesn't that make you wonder just WHO and WHY people were provoking him to the point of anger and frustration???

Food for thought Smiler
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Originally posted by Alphonse:
I'm in the military and I have been in for a long time, but I have to take sides with Quarrles on this one. B'man said a lot of tactless/tasteless things that could hurt others feelings, I don't see any of them quitting. If you are going to quit, quit. Why the big announcement?



Could it be because he was provoked, bashed, had his feelings hurt (yes, military men have feelings), and totally frustrated to the point he went off... a lot of us do the same thing...

B'man is a good guy... like I said above, we have conversed on the TD forum for over a year... way before they changed it to this forum. It was really hard to navigate back then though... much easier now, and we can PRIVATE MESSAGE people instead of bringing it to the boards... And YES, I am guilty of doing that too... so I am including myself in on that reply!!

I respect B'man, but I also watched him crumble over all the BS... I also respect you, too, Alphonse. I hope that people here do not provoke you the way B'man was provoked..
I disagreed with virtually every viewpoint Brentman held, but I will miss his points.
If everybody agreed with me, the rest of you wouldn't be necessary. Maybe Brentman should have had some of that phylosophy.
Maybe someone should start a separate thread just for the purpose of personal attacts, and keep them out of the forums on issues. Then if you wanted to get into a p***ing contest, just go to that thread and have at it.
Some of you seem to think that he posted one tactless message. The truth of the matter is 90% of his postings are slanderous, disrepectful and downright nasty toward anyone who is not a straight white American male. Get real! I would bet that the Administrator of this board is glad he is gone because of all the trouble he has caused.

I don't think he's gone though - he'll be back under a new name.
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Originally posted by David L.:
Some of you seem to think that he posted one tactless message. The truth of the matter is 90% of his postings are slanderous, disrepectful and downright nasty toward anyone who is not a straight white American male. Get real! I would bet that the Administrator of this board is glad he is gone because of all the trouble he has caused.

I don't think he's gone though - he'll be back under a new name.


I don't think he is a "cut and run" type soldier like some on here. Besides if a homosexual hit on me back in the day, I would have knocked the hell out of him to teach him not to do so again. In todays world with AIDS out there, I would more than likely call on Mr. Ruger my self.
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Originally posted by Yo Brotha from anotha Motha:
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Originally posted by David L.:
Some of you seem to think that he posted one tactless message. The truth of the matter is 90% of his postings are slanderous, disrepectful and downright nasty toward anyone who is not a straight white American male. Get real! I would bet that the Administrator of this board is glad he is gone because of all the trouble he has caused.

I don't think he's gone though - he'll be back under a new name.


I don't think he is a "cut and run" type soldier like some on here. Besides if a homosexual hit on me back in the day, I would have knocked the hell out of him to teach him not to do so again. In todays world with AIDS out there, I would more than likely call on Mr. Ruger my self.


I dont think he is "cut and run" either, YO... I think he will be back... hope so!!!!!!!
I respected much of what BM had to say on several subjects,not all, and i did learn some things from links he provided.
But lets be serious here, this is only a message forum,its not a life or death events location for anyone on here. There are subjects we ALL become passonate about,passionate,not obsessed. I took a look at the types guns he posted pictures of in the pic forums, which BTW he has already deleted. Whats he gonna do with that type gun,,hunt rabbits? Those are not your type gun one would expect to see displayed in a personal collection.maybe i am dumb on that subject,but i would certainly feel very uncomfortable around a person who felt the need or the passion to own such weapons.JMHO
There are millions of people that have gun collections like his. I have 9 my self. I have a permit and carry one in my vehicle all the time. There is to much crime out there not to ..imho.
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Originally posted by smurph:
I respected much of what BM had to say on several subjects,not all, and i did learn some things from links he provided.
But lets be serious here, this is only a message forum,its not a life or death events location for anyone on here. There are subjects we ALL become passonate about,passionate,not obsessed. I took a look at the types guns he posted pictures of in the pic forums, which BTW he has already deleted. Whats he gonna do with that type gun,,hunt rabbits? Those are not your type gun one would expect to see displayed in a personal collection.maybe i am dumb on that subject,but i would certainly feel very uncomfortable around a person who felt the need or the passion to own such weapons.JMHO


Normally I would agree, smurph... but I have 2 very good friends who have a HUGE gun collection. They collect them like I collect Angel Figurines!!!

But They both have high-dollar cabinets they keep them in, UNLOADED, ... Bullets, IF they have them are locked in a totally different location. One of the guys told me his collection was worth well over 100 grand!!!!

I don't know what makes people gun collectors, just like I am not sure when and why I started my Angel Figurine Collection.

B'man isn't much different than the 2 collectors I know....
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Originally posted by Yo Brotha from anotha Motha:
There are millions of people that have gun collections like his. I have 9 my self. I have a permit and carry one in my vehicle all the time. There is to much crime out there not to ..imho.


Should've read your comment before putting in mine, lol... I know that the gun collectors I know goes to every gun show anywhere close to go to... they LOVE their collection.
I realize most of ya'll are posting trying to bring Brent* back, but I'm one those that lurk and read and occasionally post -- I'll be honest that for the past week or so I've stopped reading because I am tired of the bickering back and forth about issues that are not going to be resolved because you are "set" in your opinion and your ways and no amount of arguing will change the other's mind.

Homosexual relationships -- do I agree with them? No -- DO I RESPECT YOUR RIGHT TO HAVE ONE? yes. Civil Unions? I think it should be between a man and a woman only, but if you want to marry someone of the opposite sex - that is your choice. Illegal immigrants? Do I thinkt he government has handled it correctly? No -- but it is not Bush's fault at this point he inherited the problem from previous Presidents that never took a stand on the issue. Do I think they should be deported? If they have not become legal citizens the right way? Yes I think they should go back HOME. Do I agree with the war in Iraq? That is not for me to decide that is for the PResident--our Commander In Chief--whether we like him or not to decide. It's kind of like when you were a kid and you wanted to stay the night at a friends house -- what you wanted was the issue, but your parents made the final decision whether you liked it or not. Do I support our troops that are serving MY COUNTRY -- ABSOLUTELY WITHOUT A DOUBT NEVER QUESTION YES.

Do I think that we all need to grow up and realize that we can voice our opinions and the world doesn't have to agree with them? YES.

This has gotten ridiculus and I for one have a life that doesn't revolve around arguing with everybody under the sun about something I can't fix -- if you don't like the way the country is run -- do whta the Constitution gives you the right to do -- VOTE FOR YOUR CANDIDATE -- if he wins great -- if he loses DON'T BLAME THE WINNER FOR WINNING! A sore loser is what a lot of you appear to be -- these days we are not voting for the Best candidate -- we are voting for the LESSER OF TWO EVILS to put in the office. If you think you can do a better job -- raise the money, campaign and get off your bum and do something about it! If not, state your opinion but respect others for their opinion. Yes you have a First Amendment right to free speech, but remember I have that right as well. Your rights end where mine begin -- just because you shout louder or post more or post an uglier message doesn't change that fact.

We are fighting a war in Iraq regardless of whether we want to be or not or who started it -- We need to stop fighting amongst ourselves and find a solution to the important issues.

I'll keep lurking -- I hope one day it becomes fun again to read and voice my opinion ...
Now ya'll are bashing him for a gun???? The Constitution gives him the right to have one! I have one -- I have it for SELF-PROTECTION! Just like In New Orleans -- when it comes down to protecting myself and my home I have the right to do so and I will if ever need be!

Whether he has 1 gun or 10000 guns is of no concern to us -- when we have another attack on our Nation I hope he would be right beside me so that I would have access to that collection and stand beside him to defend whatever needs to be defended family friend or foe!

Get over it! He is a grown man who was Military and is trained to use the guns and has the Constitutional right to own them -- STOP ATTACKING HIM PERSONALLY--YOU ARE TRYING TO MAKE HIM OUT TO BE A BAD PERSON AND I DOUBT YOU KNOW MUCH ABOUT HIM BESIDES WHAT HE POSTS -- YOU DONT KNOW THE PERSON INSIDE!!!!
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Originally posted by stephanie:
Now ya'll are bashing him for a gun???? The Constitution gives him the right to have one! I have one -- I have it for SELF-PROTECTION! Just like In New Orleans -- when it comes down to protecting myself and my home I have the right to do so and I will if ever need be!

Whether he has 1 gun or 10000 guns is of no concern to us -- when we have another attack on our Nation I hope he would be right beside me so that I would have access to that collection and stand beside him to defend whatever needs to be defended family friend or foe!

Get over it! He is a grown man who was Military and is trained to use the guns and has the Constitutional right to own them -- STOP ATTACKING HIM PERSONALLY--YOU ARE TRYING TO MAKE HIM OUT TO BE A BAD PERSON AND I DOUBT YOU KNOW MUCH ABOUT HIM BESIDES WHAT HE POSTS -- YOU DONT KNOW THE PERSON INSIDE!!!!



You are on a roll, girl Smiler Well said!
GOOD HEAVENS ,,get over it, no one said he could not own a gun. I stated my opnion and i will stick to it,,its my opnion,I own it not you.I did not bash,,so be careful of YOUR bashing to others right to voice an opnion! I would indeed feel very uncomfortable around those type of guns. I own a handgun myself,,,,far from what was in those pictures,fully mounted on their stands,decked with scopes in their full glory.
The right to bear arms is a freedom stated for 200 yrs for ALL Americans.
Hey, sometimes it is a real good stress reliever. Shoot a few heavy metal targets and it is a great way to calm down.Gotta hit the target to knock it down and I don't want to waste ammo.
I am so glad that you all have clarified this mess, I was very confused. I was even under the impression that when some one said he was going to shoot some one that he meant it. How foolish of me. I just didn't know how he really was deep inside. You know his soft tender self, the one without the gun threats, the sensitive warrior that hates illegal immigrants, children and all. I was so confused that when he posted pictures of his pistol I thought that he meant to use it, just as he said he would. Mea Culpa, I have been an old fool interpertating his hatred of most and veiled threats to many as real, just because he said so. He scared the heckout of that old guy from Florida, and the man told him that he scared him. Did that deter him? No way, he proceeds to tell the old guy that he has a concealed weapons permit and will use his guns. I am confused, and not one of you has successfully rationalized his behavior and words to me. This man needs HELP not excuses.
Bless you Kindred, you should be in the United Nations and I think you would make a MUCH better Secretary of State than the one we have now! I don't always agree with Brent, and at times I have just plain ol got mad, but as of yet he hasn't offended me enough to join the ignore crowd! That is my way of dealing with those who I think are flamers, etc.etc. As I said, I dropped prescription coverage at work and those blood pressure pills are expensive so don't want the extra frustration. All in all, and especially before this new low the topics have sunk to, Brent was and still is a respected poster in my eyes. Like I said, we don't always agree and I don't believe in attacking fellow posters PERSONALLY, but everyone has to live and learn. Themax, Quarrles and several others with you, Kindred at the top of the list, are a pleasure to discuss things with and all in all I am not ready to give up on this board yet. (Some folks wish I would, I know LOL) THE DOG
Thank you The Dog, your bark means a lot to me.
I wish I could always be calm and collected, but then what fun would that be.LOL
There are issues I know or care little about but the ones I do can get me mad as a wet hen, when some child justs enjoys getting an old geezer like me needing some of those blood pressure pills. Keep barking loud!
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Originally posted by themax:
Brentenman has been part of this for who know before I. He Has every right to speek as any of you johnnycone lately. Do YOU PEOPLE not understand the value of a voice of a MAN serving our US!!!!!
You must be so anti- what ever you can not smell a skunk so you just est it for breakfast.
Yes , I am mad as hell what has gone on since my computer trouble, that SOME of you have said to this Man.
We may not have agreed but you could count on Brenten to tell the truth.
Now, who of your sorry hide behide a name has so demeaned him??
Am I TICKEDED you better believe it.One I don't even know Oh u koww what I mean.
going outside to shoot MY 10mm just so I wont YELL AT SOME STUPID HOLE


Brentenman has a habit of responding using numerous derogatory names and references. Such behavior is not deserving of respect. Just because you don't like or agree with someone doesn't mean you can't have a civil discussion. No one deserved to be demeaned, but if you demean others, don't be surprised if you are demeaned.

Also, just because Brentenman believed it and you agreed with it didn't mean that he spoke always the truth. No offense intended here, but many seem to confuse opinion with truth.
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Originally posted by stephanie:
I realize most of ya'll are posting trying to bring Brent* back, but I'm one those that lurk and read and occasionally post -- I'll be honest that for the past week or so I've stopped reading because I am tired of the bickering back and forth about issues that are not going to be resolved because you are "set" in your opinion and your ways and no amount of arguing will change the other's mind.

Homosexual relationships -- do I agree with them? No -- DO I RESPECT YOUR RIGHT TO HAVE ONE? yes. Civil Unions? I think it should be between a man and a woman only, but if you want to marry someone of the opposite sex - that is your choice. Illegal immigrants? Do I thinkt he government has handled it correctly? No -- but it is not Bush's fault at this point he inherited the problem from previous Presidents that never took a stand on the issue. Do I think they should be deported? If they have not become legal citizens the right way? Yes I think they should go back HOME. Do I agree with the war in Iraq? That is not for me to decide that is for the PResident--our Commander In Chief--whether we like him or not to decide. It's kind of like when you were a kid and you wanted to stay the night at a friends house -- what you wanted was the issue, but your parents made the final decision whether you liked it or not. Do I support our troops that are serving MY COUNTRY -- ABSOLUTELY WITHOUT A DOUBT NEVER QUESTION YES.

Do I think that we all need to grow up and realize that we can voice our opinions and the world doesn't have to agree with them? YES.

This has gotten ridiculus and I for one have a life that doesn't revolve around arguing with everybody under the sun about something I can't fix -- if you don't like the way the country is run -- do whta the Constitution gives you the right to do -- VOTE FOR YOUR CANDIDATE -- if he wins great -- if he loses DON'T BLAME THE WINNER FOR WINNING! A sore loser is what a lot of you appear to be -- these days we are not voting for the Best candidate -- we are voting for the LESSER OF TWO EVILS to put in the office. If you think you can do a better job -- raise the money, campaign and get off your bum and do something about it! If not, state your opinion but respect others for their opinion. Yes you have a First Amendment right to free speech, but remember I have that right as well. Your rights end where mine begin -- just because you shout louder or post more or post an uglier message doesn't change that fact.

We are fighting a war in Iraq regardless of whether we want to be or not or who started it -- We need to stop fighting amongst ourselves and find a solution to the important issues.

I'll keep lurking -- I hope one day it becomes fun again to read and voice my opinion ...



ABSOLUTELY the BEST POST I have read on this forum in a long time! I could not agree more!
I may be old but even I know that the way one is spoken to, can be the difference in the responce that one recieves.
respectfull responce = respectfull responce

namecalling (baiting) = namecalling defenceive reaction
A lot of this goes back to the old playgorund axiom: If you can't take it, don't dish it out. When there are two polar opposite opions, the antagonists will butt heads until one of two things happen. They will either quit butting heads and move on, or keep butting heads till one cracks. I think that is what happened here. It matters not who was "right" or "wrong" in the arguement. When both sides are convinced that they are "right" they tend to pull out all stops and go for the throat.

I am partial to the "This thread is going nowhere, what else is happening on the forum" approach.

Another axion, this one from the military: FIDO, Forget It, Drive On.

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