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I need someone to enlighten me concerning christianity and I'm not trying to be ugly about this but it just seems to me that people that I've run into that claim to be christians seem to either have a chip on their shoulders, they think they are better than you, and maybe they think I'm not a christian and they treat me like a disease. It seems they are always putting down people, especially the poor people. And I would just like for some true christian to reply to me and give me the real definition of a true christian. I would really like to know your true thoughts on christianity.

I'd like to know how you as a christian should treat people. Should we fear God and if so, why? I would also like to know what you think as a christian as to what God thinks of the war.

As a christian, are you suppose to give back as well as you take?

As a true christian, do you respect other denominations and other non-denominations? Do you respect religion of others?

Some people believe there's going to be an antiChrist and rule the world and they claim they get this from Revelations. How much of Revelations do you believe has already happened and how much has not? My belief is that anyone who does not believe in Christ is an antiChrist. The antiChrist is already here and there's a lot of them.

I appreciate serious reply's only. Thank you very much.
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Read the Bible, figure it out for yourself. All of the answers to your questions are there.

As for respecting other denominations and religions, it's a pretty vague question. Do I hate people who don't believe the same way I do? Of course not. Everyone interprets the Bible differently and everyone takes their own spiritual path. I don't identify people by their religions or denominations, I just believe what I believe and that's it.

Again, if you want to know about Christianity, go to the source and find out.
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Originally posted by NashBama:
Read the Bible, figure it out for yourself. All of the answers to your questions are there.

As for respecting other denominations and religions, it's a pretty vague question. Do I hate people who don't believe the same way I do? Of course not. Everyone interprets the Bible differently and everyone takes their own spiritual path. I don't identify people by their religions or denominations, I just believe what I believe and that's it.

Again, if you want to know about Christianity, go to the source and find out.




I agree,the bible is the source for sure. I just don't understand the one's who call themselfs christians that seem to have hate for others.
I agree,the bible is the source for sure. I just don't understand the one's who call themselfs christians that seem to have hate for others.
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There are a lot of people out there who claim to be Christians but are only religous. These people think the same way the pharisees did back in Jesus' time. They believe that salvation is achieved through their own works and do not understand that the Jesus' dying on the cross cancelled out the old law and established the new covenant. These religous people are usually prideful and in order to elevate themselves they belittle others. Also, they are the most miserable people on earth because they know the truth but refuse to live in it.

I am absolutely not saying that Christians are going to accept homosexuality, pornography, adultery....etc. A true Christian will, however, love and pray for the homosexual, pornographer, adulterer.....etc. to accept Jesus and be filled with his spirit.

You can read the New Testament in a couple of days and all the questions you asked will be answered.
pba,

Lets start out by saying that I believe I am a Christian because I have confess my sins and took Jesus Christ as my Saviour. And I will try to answer your questions to the best way I know how but don't take it as the gospel because I don't have all the answers and the best way to get the answers is to use the greatest book that has ever been published and that is The Bible. I know it can be very confusing at times but I do believe that everything in it is the whole truth and will not lead you wrong.

Lets address your first paragraph. All that calls upon the name of Jesus will not be saved. Just because they say they are Christian doesn't make them one. The way you need to look at it is this, there are always those that don't practice what they preach and the road to heaven is a narrow one. The bible teaches us that if it is of God then they will be edifying, and building up the people around them. If they don't then I would be worried that they are not showing proper Christian Love.

Paul tells us that we are all sinners and that only one has walked this earth unblemished. But through the grace of God we will be saved.

Should we Fear God? Yes and No. If you are not following Gods commandments and his teachings then yes. If you are in communion and fellowship with God then you can expect Love, Peace and Tranquility. Some Christians just before they know they will be passing on gets to the point of not fearing death.

As to what God thinks of this war we are in? Where I am not trying to speak for God but God does understand that some wars are justified and others are not. It will be a question that wont be answered until we get to heaven.

Give back as well as you take? YES. I do believe you need to give back but the old question is how much. The old testament teaches us to Tithe 10%. The New Testament teaches us to give with a cheerful heart. God even tells us to test him on this(only place I believe you can test God) and he will give back to you 10 fold. Personally I don't think that always means money. There is alot of people that gives up time and money can be given for those that don't have time to give. I personally make contributions and I also give my first hour of each day in prayer and devotion to God. God tells us to bring our first fruits to him so I spend my first hour that way.

denominations? Where I am a Christ of Christ. With that said, first of all I am a Christian in the Body of Christ. There are many parts of the body, Christ of Christ, Baptist, Church of God, Methodist, Catholic, and so on and on. I do believe that anyone that confesses Jesus as his/her Savior is a brother in Christ. I was once told that how we worship is what separates us and who we worship is what unites us.

other religions, well I do believe that if you are not a Christian then you will not make it into heaven, the good book tells us that. But I don't believe that I must force someone to believe, God wants us to come to him by free choice.

I know this was long, but I hope it gives you enough info to go searching for your own truth. I may be wrong on some points but this is from the heart and how I believe. I may even open the Bible in the morning and find where I was wrong. Here are some good books that may be helpful, A purpose Driven Life by Rick Warren or a case for Jesus by Lee Stobe. They may help you in your search.

Good Luck and God's Blessings
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Originally posted by Mr. Hooberbloob:
I agree,the bible is the source for sure. I just don't understand the one's who call themselfs christians that seem to have hate for others.
_______________________________________________________________________________________________________________

There are a lot of people out there who claim to be Christians but are only religous. These people think the same way the pharisees did back in Jesus' time. They believe that salvation is achieved through their own works and do not understand that the Jesus' dying on the cross cancelled out the old law and established the new covenant. These religous people are usually prideful and in order to elevate themselves they belittle others. Also, they are the most miserable people on earth because they know the truth but refuse to live in it.

I am absolutely not saying that Christians are going to accept homosexuality, pornography, adultery....etc. A true Christian will, however, love and pray for the homosexual, pornographer, adulterer.....etc. to accept Jesus and be filled with his spirit.

You can read the New Testament in a couple of days and all the questions you asked will be answered.


Those that set religious laws upon others that is against what God wants and causes someone to stumble will have to Answer for that Sin is my opinion.
Blessed are the poor in spirit,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

Blessed are they who mourn,
for they shall be comforted.

Blessed are the meek,
for they shall inherit the earth.

Blessed are they who hunger and thirst for righteousness,
for they shall be satisfied.

Blessed are the merciful,
for they shall obtain mercy.

Blessed are the pure of heart,
for they shall see God.

Blessed are the peacemakers,
for they shall be called children of God.

Blessed are they who are persecuted for the sake of righteousness,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.



Gospel of Matthew 5:3-10

The Beatitudes, from Jesus' Sermon on the Mount...People claiming to be Christians that think they are better, have hate as you say, should read this sermon again. I kind of understand what your questions mean, and know that people that say they are Christians act very un-Christian like. They are hypocrites. We all know folks that go to church only for political, business or social gains. IMHO it is up to the individual(myself) to be a Christian and not look at my neighbor. Thats kinda like judging. Dont try to understand people who call themselves Christians because they are human. Humans make mistakes.They will let you down and at times make you despise people in general. Faith as a person should be on the perfect one, not man.
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Originally posted by Schnauzer:
pba,

Lets start out by saying that I believe I am a Christian because I have confess my sins and took Jesus Christ as my Saviour. And I will try to answer your questions to the best way I know how but don't take it as the gospel because I don't have all the answers and the best way to get the answers is to use the greatest book that has ever been published and that is The Bible. I know it can be very confusing at times but I do believe that everything in it is the whole truth and will not lead you wrong.

Lets address your first paragraph. All that calls upon the name of Jesus will not be saved. Just because they say they are Christian doesn't make them one. The way you need to look at it is this, there are always those that don't practice what they preach and the road to heaven is a narrow one. The bible teaches us that if it is of God then they will be edifying, and building up the people around them. If they don't then I would be worried that they are not showing proper Christian Love.

Paul tells us that we are all sinners and that only one has walked this earth unblemished. But through the grace of God we will be saved.

Should we Fear God? Yes and No. If you are not following Gods commandments and his teachings then yes. If you are in communion and fellowship with God then you can expect Love, Peace and Tranquility. Some Christians just before they know they will be passing on gets to the point of not fearing death.

As to what God thinks of this war we are in? Where I am not trying to speak for God but God does understand that some wars are justified and others are not. It will be a question that wont be answered until we get to heaven.

Give back as well as you take? YES. I do believe you need to give back but the old question is how much. The old testament teaches us to Tithe 10%. The New Testament teaches us to give with a cheerful heart. God even tells us to test him on this(only place I believe you can test God) and he will give back to you 10 fold. Personally I don't think that always means money. There is alot of people that gives up time and money can be given for those that don't have time to give. I personally make contributions and I also give my first hour of each day in prayer and devotion to God. God tells us to bring our first fruits to him so I spend my first hour that way.

denominations? Where I am a Christ of Christ. With that said, first of all I am a Christian in the Body of Christ. There are many parts of the body, Christ of Christ, Baptist, Church of God, Methodist, Catholic, and so on and on. I do believe that anyone that confesses Jesus as his/her Savior is a brother in Christ. I was once told that how we worship is what separates us and who we worship is what unites us.

other religions, well I do believe that if you are not a Christian then you will not make it into heaven, the good book tells us that. But I don't believe that I must force someone to believe, God wants us to come to him by free choice.

I know this was long, but I hope it gives you enough info to go searching for your own truth. I may be wrong on some points but this is from the heart and how I believe. I may even open the Bible in the morning and find where I was wrong. Here are some good books that may be helpful, A purpose Driven Life by Rick Warren or a case for Jesus by Lee Stobe. They may help you in your search.

Good Luck and God's Blessings



This is well said,and I do thank you for your input!! I can tell it also come from your heart and that means alot! Thanks again!
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Originally posted by OriginalBama:
Blessed are the poor in spirit,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

Blessed are they who mourn,
for they shall be comforted.

Blessed are the meek,
for they shall inherit the earth.

Blessed are they who hunger and thirst for righteousness,
for they shall be satisfied.

Blessed are the merciful,
for they shall obtain mercy.

Blessed are the pure of heart,
for they shall see God.

Blessed are the peacemakers,
for they shall be called children of God.

Blessed are they who are persecuted for the sake of righteousness,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.



Gospel of Matthew 5:3-10

The Beatitudes, from Jesus' Sermon on the Mount...People claiming to be Christians that think they are better, have hate as you say, should read this sermon again. I kind of understand what your questions mean, and know that people that say they are Christians act very un-Christian like. They are hypocrites. We all know folks that go to church only for political, business or social gains. IMHO it is up to the individual(myself) to be a Christian and not look at my neighbor. Thats kinda like judging. Dont try to understand people who call themselves Christians because they are human. Humans make mistakes.They will let you down and at times make you despise people in general. Faith as a person should be on the perfect one, not man.


Thank you! well said also!
PBA...IMO, I feel the definition is to try to be Christ-like. Everyday we do need to love our neighbor (everyone). To try to care for one another...No matter if they love or give back!
I think as Christians we should hate sin, but love the sinner. Everyday as Christians we fail. I am not good enough to a child of the King...just forgiven! I do believe we are suppose to be the hands and feet. Go and do as Christ would... that to me is Christianity.
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Originally posted by Mr. Hooberbloob:
I agree,the bible is the source for sure. I just don't understand the one's who call themselfs christians that seem to have hate for others.
_______________________________________________________________________________________________________________

There are a lot of people out there who claim to be Christians but are only religous. These people think the same way the pharisees did back in Jesus' time. They believe that salvation is achieved through their own works and do not understand that the Jesus' dying on the cross cancelled out the old law and established the new covenant. These religous people are usually prideful and in order to elevate themselves they belittle others. Also, they are the most miserable people on earth because they know the truth but refuse to live in it.

I am absolutely not saying that Christians are going to accept homosexuality, pornography, adultery....etc. A true Christian will, however, love and pray for the homosexual, pornographer, adulterer.....etc. to accept Jesus and be filled with his spirit.

You can read the New Testament in a couple of days and all the questions you asked will be answered.


You seem only to be interested in the sexual sins. The Seven Deadly Sins as set out by the ancient church are as follows:
1.Lust - notice there is no distinction between homosexuals, adulterers, pornographers (this one is sort of odd to me since pornography is the filmed or photographed act of sex, generally between unmarried individuals which is a sin.)
2.Gluttony
3.Greed
4.Sloth - a sin of which many are guilty
5.Wrath - another rather common sin.
6.Envy - need I say a word?
7.Pride - Yes, pride is a sin.

As you see, sin is as common as dirt. This list also points out that we all sin, every day. While lust is at the top of the list, its not any worse than the rest.
Many of our modern day denominations are totally "rule" oriented. They insist that some sins are worse than others and these sins preclude any relationship with God. Its always easy to condem sin when its not yours. I find it more effective to express the love of God through his forgivness than through the use of threats and condemnation.
Very well said meanasasnake,

I do believe there is a difference in religion and Christianity.

Religion is your church and laws and rules...those that say you must show your W-2 each year so they know what you will be giving, or because you are divorce you are not welcome. Is the you can't do this and you must do this and we can't have Communion this way or music in church is wrong or isn't. That is religion to me.

Christianity is the relationship between you and God. Its the belief that Jesus was the son of God, He died for our sins and He rose on the 3rd day. Its the peace, Happiness, and the desire to serve a living God not because you fear him or his judgment but because you desire to be with him for eternity.
Short serman,

Christian- a follower of Christ.

Becoming a Christian : "And it shall come to pass that whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved" (Joel 2:32)

How to recognize a Christian: "A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another" (John 13 34-35).

Seems pretty simple, Believe in Jesus, and love one another.
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Originally posted by excelman:
Short serman,

Christian- a follower of Christ.

Becoming a Christian : "And it shall come to pass that whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved" (Joel 2:32)

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How to recognize a Christian: "A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another" (John 13 34-35).

Seems pretty simple, Believe in Jesus, and love one another.


You nailed it Excel - but just wait. The fundies and strict denominationalists will site rules, legalisms and make it up as you go road maps till doomsday
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Originally posted by meanasasnake:
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Originally posted by Mr. Hooberbloob:
I agree,the bible is the source for sure. I just don't understand the one's who call themselfs christians that seem to have hate for others.
_______________________________________________________________________________________________________________

There are a lot of people out there who claim to be Christians but are only religous. These people think the same way the pharisees did back in Jesus' time. They believe that salvation is achieved through their own works and do not understand that the Jesus' dying on the cross cancelled out the old law and established the new covenant. These religous people are usually prideful and in order to elevate themselves they belittle others. Also, they are the most miserable people on earth because they know the truth but refuse to live in it.

I am absolutely not saying that Christians are going to accept homosexuality, pornography, adultery....etc. A true Christian will, however, love and pray for the homosexual, pornographer, adulterer.....etc. to accept Jesus and be filled with his spirit.

You can read the New Testament in a couple of days and all the questions you asked will be answered.


You seem only to be interested in the sexual sins. The Seven Deadly Sins as set out by the ancient church are as follows:
1.Lust - notice there is no distinction between homosexuals, adulterers, pornographers (this one is sort of odd to me since pornography is the filmed or photographed act of sex, generally between unmarried individuals which is a sin.)
2.Gluttony
3.Greed
4.Sloth - a sin of which many are guilty
5.Wrath - another rather common sin.
6.Envy - need I say a word?
7.Pride - Yes, pride is a sin.

As you see, sin is as common as dirt. This list also points out that we all sin, every day. While lust is at the top of the list, its not any worse than the rest.
Many of our modern day denominations are totally "rule" oriented. They insist that some sins are worse than others and these sins preclude any relationship with God. Its always easy to condem sin when its not yours. I find it more effective to express the love of God through his forgivness than through the use of threats and condemnation.



Very Well Said Indeed!I Agree!
quote:
Christianity is the relationship between you and God. Its the belief that Jesus was the son of God, He died for our sins and He rose on the 3rd day. Its the peace, Happiness, and the desire to serve a living God not because you fear him or his judgment but because you desire to be with him for eternity.


Yep, that's very well said. I'm a Christian, but I don't attend a particular church regularly. I grew up CoC, I've been to my wife's baptist church, but I was fond of the non-denominational until it just got too big and impersonal. A preacher does not represent all Christians. Pat Robertson and James Dobson does not speak for me nor do they represent my beliefs. I've read the Bible myself and came to my own conclusions on what I think God is trying to tell me. If I find a church where my personal beliefs fit, I'll attend that one. Until then, I worship on my own time.
I'm an outsider when it cones to Christianity, so I can't say what Christ's followers are supposed to do, but I do know what Jesus told the Rich Man who asked how to be a good person. He gave him six rules. Don't kill,Don't Steal, Don't Lie, Don't commit adultery, Honor your parents, and Love your neighbor as you love yourself. When The rich man asked how to GUARANTEE his entry into heaven, Jesus said give up all your worldly goods and follow me. The Rich man said he followed the six rules, but could not give up his worldly goods. Jesus said only that he was not assured entry into heaven. Not that he was condemned, or that he was saved, only that there was no guarantee that he would be absolved.
It is harder for a rich man to enter heaven than a poor man...I think what Jesus was saying there is that you need to be willing to give up all you have to follow him not that you must. You cannot worship 2 Gods...weather it be your spouse, money, dog, house or the Great Father Himself...one will always be on top and God wants us to put him first.

Once you are willing to sacrifice it all to follow the one and only "I AM" then he will reward you beyond imagination.
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Originally posted by pba:

I agree,the bible is the source for sure. I just don't understand the one's who call themselfs christians that seem to have hate for others.


I would say to you, use the Bible as the main source for answers. Too, try to contact some credible Christian scholars, people that really study Christianity, for answers. They could provide you with the history of Christianity and not some personal views that were established based on heresay and folklore. Try to find out what Jesus practiced and follow his example. I hope you find what you are in search of. Remember hatred is not a religious thing but a people thing.
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Originally posted by kazem7419:
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Originally posted by pba:

I agree,the bible is the source for sure. I just don't understand the one's who call themselfs christians that seem to have hate for others.


I would say to you, use the Bible as the main source for answers. Too, try to contact some credible Christian scholars, people that really study Christianity, for answers. They could provide you with the history of Christianity and not some personal views that were established based on heresay and folklore. Try to find out what Jesus practiced and follow his example. I hope you find what you are in search of. Remember hatred is not a religious thing but a people thing.


How nicely put. Christianity has become all about rules and nothing about love.
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Originally posted by Liberal Wisenheimer:
I support the separation of Church and Hate.


You have obviously had some bad experiences with church. It's unfortunate that you have chosen to live your life Christ free and I suspect, based on your acidic remarks, that you are not a happy person. Of course how can a person be happy knowing that they are here for no purposeful reason other than to live then die with nothing beyond that?

I do agree with you that religion can be bad with all the rules and regulations that are sometimes imposed. Jesus himself despised the religious leadership of the day because they believed that salvation came from only following such rules or law as it was then.

Non believers tend to set the moral bar too high for church going people. You need to understand that perfect people do not go to church. I personally go to church to worship Jesus and am not concerned with any politics that may or may not be happening.

I don't blame you for being the way you are. Being a non-believer you just can't understand the grace, love, and security that I feel every day. I also do not need to defend my God as what you may say about him is between you and him.
I'm happy living by my own code and my strong sense of right and wrong. If I want to have a drink, no problem. If I want to sleep in on Sunday, no problem. If I want to have an intimate relationship without marriage, piece of cake. Why complicate things?
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Aside from the fornication, you can still do those things and be a Christian. Correct me if I'm wrong but I think you believe to be a Christian you must follow some set of strict guidelines. In the Old Testament days that was true. However, when Jesus died on the cross a new covenant was made and we no longer have to live under the old law as we are now covered by His blood. In other words, it's not our works that saves us, it is Jesus Christ that saves us.

I'm not trying to brow beat you, just laying it out as it is. I have the perspective from both sides of the fence as I have not always been a believer. I have also never heard anyone who has been saved say that their life was better before, me included. No I'm not saying that our lives are perfect, just that God never gives me more than I can handle. I hope one day that you will experience the life changing love of Jesus before you leave this earth.

F - Forgiveness - God will forgive us of our sins
A - Available - This forgiveness is available to all
I - Impossible - It is impossible for sin to enter heaven, Jesus Christ takes the sin for us if we
accept him.
T - Turn - Once we accept Jesus we will have the grace to turn from our sins. We are still not perfect!
H - Heaven - Self Explanatory
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Originally posted by Liberal Wisenheimer:
I'm happy living by my own code and my strong sense of right and wrong. If I want to have a drink, no problem. If I want to sleep in on Sunday, no problem. If I want to have an intimate relationship without marriage, piece of cake. Why complicate things?


If you want to sleep with your father's wife - no problem. If you want to gaze on your father's naked body - no problem. If you want to watch a girl take a bath, knock her up, and kill her husband - no problem.

Just wondering where you bought that strong moral compass of yours?

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