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Wow, shouldn't the government work for it's citizens?
No one can buy flood insurance anywhere in the country at any price because the federal government says you can't.
A federal judge has ruled that the government cannot stop deep water drilling in the gulf. Ken Salazar says they will stop it anyway.
The feds determine when, how, and where states can or cannot do almost everything (e.g., berms in Louisiana and border control in Arizona).
The government still owns GM, Chrysler, and several banks.
Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac own half of the mortgages in the country. The federal government owns Fannie and Freddie.
Against the advice of Canada, Germany, and others, the President wants to spend more money, not less.
A federal judge has ruled that the government cannot stop deep water drilling in the gulf. Ken Salazar says they will stop it anyway.
The feds determine when, how, and where states can or cannot do almost everything (e.g., berms in Louisiana and border control in Arizona).
The government still owns GM, Chrysler, and several banks.
Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac own half of the mortgages in the country. The federal government owns Fannie and Freddie.
Against the advice of Canada, Germany, and others, the President wants to spend more money, not less.
"documented or not", ok, give them the pay they earned and a free escorted bus ride back to country of origin!! works for me
Disgusting. I like the statement "documented or not". I do not agree with the free bus ride back to their country of origin since we would have to pay for that. How about we use their money they earned illegally since they are in our country illegally for the bus ride back to their home country. What a sad state our country is in today......
Do you all think it's fair to take advantage of someone, let them work for you to the tune of $1500 in wages you owe them and then skip out? Would YOU stand for it? Well, it happens every day all over the country to people, especially Hispanics. These people won't ask for a draw because their work ethic dictates they work hard BEFORE they get paid, and shifty bosses know this. These bosses take advantage of a persons immigration status, knowingly employ illegals, work them hard and then skip out before paying them because they know these undocumented workers have no way to complain to the authorities. It's wrong. I agree with Solis. Documented or not, they all have a right to be paid.
I feel that all criminals should be punished; the illegals for breaking the law by crossing the border, the employers for hiring the illegals, and the government for not enforcing the immigration laws and securing the borders.
If you are here illegally and you don't get paid for work done, quit working for free and go home where you have rights as a legal citizen.
AtticFeline, how can you defend illegals who get screwed out of pay when they come here and use our social services and screw the taxpayers. It's the same on both sides. Come here legally, pay taxes, and then take advantage of workers' rights.
The next thing that will come of this is a union for illegals so they can get better pay and more benefits. What a joke.
AtticFeline, how can you defend illegals who get screwed out of pay when they come here and use our social services and screw the taxpayers. It's the same on both sides. Come here legally, pay taxes, and then take advantage of workers' rights.
The next thing that will come of this is a union for illegals so they can get better pay and more benefits. What a joke.
quote:Originally posted by tada:
Disgusting. I like the statement "documented or not". I do not agree with the free bus ride back to their country of origin since we would have to pay for that. How about we use their money they earned illegally since they are in our country illegally for the bus ride back to their home country. What a sad state our country is in today......
Why give them a bus ride home? If an american citizen crosses into Mexico illegally, they would be arrested and thrown in jail. Why shouldn't we do the same thing. People from most other countries cannot come to the US illegally. Anyone that wants to become a resident of this country needs to go though the same process that everyone else has to. Also, I don't think US companies should be allowed to hire illegals in the first place and they should be punished as well. If they do hire them then they should pay them and then they should fine the company, arrest the people that knowingly hired them and escort the illegals on foot back across the border. Maybe the National Guard could assist in that, since Obama won't let them do anything else.
quote:Originally posted by Fighting Illini:
If you are here illegally and you don't get paid for work done, quit working for free and go home where you have rights as a legal citizen.
AtticFeline, how can you defend illegals who get screwed out of pay when they come here and use our social services and screw the taxpayers. It's the same on both sides. Come here legally, pay taxes, and then take advantage of workers' rights.
The next thing that will come of this is a union for illegals so they can get better pay and more benefits. What a joke.
You misunderstood me. I'm not defending illegals, I'm defending HUMAN RIGHTS. I'm not talking about the tolls they take on our schools, health care, and our public programs because I agree with you. I don't think people should EMPLOY illegals. I believe in E- Verify. Being here illegally is a crime, yes, and so is hiring illegal workers. Knowingly and purposefully hiring illegals with the intent to get free labor is not only a legal crime, it's a moral one. It's like not feeding or properly medicating a deaf mute nursing home patient because they can't complain. These ARE human beings, you know. I am all for getting them out of here, period, but if someone intentionally employs an illegal and takes advantage of them by not paying them and then gets tracked down and hurt, they have it coming. That's all I'm sayin'.
I agree that the employer should be arrested or fined, but the worker should be apprehended and sent back to their home country. The only payment should be a free ride to the border.
It they paid taxes on the income that they earned that would be one thing- but after our Federal and State governments take taxes out of your pay, how much does a "documented" worker really make? And to pay an "undocumented" person the same with NO taxes taken out is an outrage as they still use the public facilities and benefits that "documented" employees pay for.
Good points, Illini and Kat, but help me understand what that has to do with what I said. Are you all saying that it's OKAY to have these people work and then not pay them at all? Ya'll think that it's okay to mistreat and take advantage of them because they're illegal?
quote:Originally posted by AtticFeline:
Good points, Illini and Kat, but help me understand what that has to do with what I said. Are you all saying that it's OKAY to have these people work and then not pay them at all? Ya'll think that it's okay to mistreat and take advantage of them because they're illegal?
Since when is breaking laws considered "human rights"?
The illegal has put themselves in the situation to be taken advantage of simply because they are illegal and afraid to report it. Same principle applies to drug dealers.
Simple cure...get legal. My tax dollars should not be used to support illegal activity...stealing my tax dollars is a violation of "human rights" much more than helping illegals continue their illegal activities.
quote:Originally posted by WH:quote:Originally posted by AtticFeline:
Good points, Illini and Kat, but help me understand what that has to do with what I said. Are you all saying that it's OKAY to have these people work and then not pay them at all? Ya'll think that it's okay to mistreat and take advantage of them because they're illegal?
Since when is breaking laws considered "human rights"?
The illegal has put themselves in the situation to be taken advantage of simply because they are illegal and afraid to report it. Same principle applies to drug dealers, people that deal in stolen items ect.
Simple cure...get legal. My tax dollars should not be used to support illegal activity...stealing my tax dollars is a violation of "human rights" much more than helping illegals continue their illegal activities.
WH, you're a real simpleton, aren't you? "Since when is breaking laws considered human rights?" Where in the world did you get that? Getting paid for work you have done is a human right. How would you like to work two weeks, go to collect your pay on pay day Friday, and find the whole construction crew gone, even the trailer? That cell phone number your boss gave you? Bad number. Well, what I'm saying is that THIS is what Solis was talking about. It's gotten so commonplace that they had to do a public service announcement about it. It's to try to find and prosecute the employers and rightly so. I don't care if you're legal, illegal, from El Salvador or Mars. If you worked and were told you'd get paid, you outta f'ing get paid. You seem to me to be just the sort of person that would do that, too.
quote:WH, you're a real simpleton, aren't you? "Since when is breaking laws considered human rights?"
You tell me, you were the one that said it was.
quote:Where in the world did you get that?
From you
quote:Getting paid for work you have done is a human right.
Not if you are breaking the law while performing the work.
quote:How would you like to work two weeks, go to collect your pay on pay day Friday, and find the whole construction crew gone, even the trailer? That cell phone number your boss gave you? Bad number.
I would put forth the effort to become a legal citizen so I would have recourse .
quote:Well, what I'm saying is that THIS is what Solis was talking about. It's gotten so common place that they had to do a public service announcement about it. I don't care if you're legal, illegal, from El Salvador or Mars. If you worked and were told you'd get paid, you outta f'ing get paid. You seem to me to be just the sort of person that would do that, too.
The answer to the problem is simple...get legal. Many have done this, why did we stop this requirement. Our govt,. should not be encouraging illegal activity. Also...I overlooked your childish remarks.
...this coming from the person who says I must be Hispanic on the other thread about the same thing. Talk about childish remarks.
Attic trying to have an intellectual conversation with him is like arguing with children. It just doesn't work. Just ignore him.
quote:Originally posted by AtticFeline:
...this coming from the person who says I must be Hispanic on the other thread about the same thing. Talk about childish remarks.
What is childish about saying you must be Hispanic? I think you are.
quote:Originally posted by WH:quote:Originally posted by AtticFeline:
...this coming from the person who says I must be Hispanic on the other thread about the same thing. Talk about childish remarks.
What is childish about saying you must be Hispanic? I think you are.
If I was, I'd happily admit to it. What difference would it make anyway? Obviously, if I were, I'd be legal because I certainly speak the King's English better than someone who isn't American. Actually, your grammar isn't bad for a RACIST REDNECK either.
